RE: I just don't get it
March 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2016 at 4:51 pm by Fake Messiah.)
(March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote: CS Lewis was a very educated person who came to the faith from being an atheist.
CS Lewis was born Catholic but left it when he was 15 only to return later to some other branch, kind of similar to Kirk Cameron. CS Lewis was educated in literature and classic philosophy which unfortunately doesn't count that much. For instance I remember my high school literature professor who did know books but was an idiot. He believed that aliens built pyramids all over the world, apostles, Nazca lines as runways for alien airplanes and other nonsense.
Or I remember Stephen King once saying "But then again the idea of me writing hard science fiction, of doing an Arthur C. Clarke or a Larry Niven, is ludicrous. I got C’s and D’s in chemistry and physics."
Literature is usually one of the "easy" way out for people that are bad in science.
But then again it's sad that people thinkthey are hopeless in chemistry and physics because they didn't catch it in school and think they just can't learn it now. I mean there are so much beautiful books out there like I once mentioned Isaac Asimov. Read books in science like Asimov's tomes in physics and you'll see world unraveling in front of you, because I see you're mentioning again "God of the gaps".
(March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote: If billions of intelligent, educated people have said that they experienced God, I would think that there might be something there.
And what god is that? Your religion, like all other religions, don't just have problem with science but all other religions too. Christians think that the only route to salvation is accepting Jesus as one’s savior. If you’re a Muslim, that doctrine will send you straight to hell. The Quran also claims that Jesus was slain but not crucified, with an impostor dying on the cross. Jews, of course, don’t see Jesus as the Messiah at all.
Hinduism has many gods. Jehovah’s Witnesses think that precisely 144,000 of them will make it to heaven, while the others who are saved will inhabit a paradise on Earth. In contrast, Laestadianism, a conservative branch of Lutheranism, considers itself the only true faith: only its roughly sixty thousand adherents are eligible for salvation, with the billions of others on Earth doomed to eternal torment.
Black Muslims believe that whites are a race of devils, created less than seven thousand years ago from selective breeding by a mad black scientist named Yakub. And, of course, there is Xenu and his hydrogen bombs. Add to these all the conflicting doctrines and equally conflicting moral codes that differ in how one should treat women, gays, sex before or outside of marriage, criminals, animals, and so on. They can’t all be right.
(March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote: You just assume that a God who doesn't have to follow the rules of the natural world doesn't exist because you can't prove his existence through natural means. You're trapped by the boundaries of that little box you live in. Science has no idea of what exists beyond the boundaries of our universe.
What you think one day people in spaceship will exit our universe and meet there woman dressed in ancient middle eastern clothing holding a baby and realize it's virgin Mary and baby Jesus? I mean talk about "boundaries of that little box you live in".
(March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote: If he is God, he can reveal himself to me and the billions of others that he has revealed himself to. It doesn't prove it to you, but it does prove it to those to whom he speaks. Please don't judge those you don't know, and are more intelligent than you, and say that they don't know how to think.
Again it's not intelligent people, because God revealing himself: Sai Baba materializes cheap Japanese watches; someone sees Jesus in mold on an old sandwich; Church spreads lies about Marian visions with no evidence; Pope kisses some baby's head and it's tumor supposedly goes away despite Church being responsible for billions of deaths by lying about condoms being unsafe, preventing women to get vaccinated, using exorcism instead of medicine etc.; or recently man died in the car crash, by burning alive but his Bible stood intact.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"