RE: I just don't get it
March 1, 2016 at 7:01 pm
(This post was last modified: March 1, 2016 at 7:02 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm)Lek Wrote:(March 1, 2016 at 5:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Perpetual question of why some people believe in wizards and delusions, it's like asking why are some people insisting on being racist? Very similar thing of deluding yourself and approaching world with this emotions that are planted in you by others and for some reason totally ignoring rationality and evidence.
Maybe it's just that people didn't learn how to think.
And also let's say you're Catholic and you decide you can't believe in that nonsense anymore, next step is facing with the fact that your parents, teachers and sometimes whole society blatantly lied to you, wasted your time and in many cases your life - which is not something that many people can do.
How about the people who have come to believe in God who were not raised that way? CS Lewis was a very educated person who came to the faith from being an atheist.
But he did not have good reasons. He pretty much fell for the flawed philosophical arguments for god.
Not to mention his own flawed "liar, lunatic, lord" false trilemma.
Quote:If billions of intelligent, educated people have said that they experienced God, I would think that there might be something there.
The "something" that is there that you mention, is the human brain we were born with. We are pattern seeking, experience misinterpreting, agency imagining beings. These cause humans to misinterpret natural brain states incorrectly as an outside being.
There are 1000's of people that experience alien abductions. Does that mean they actually occur?
Quote:You just assume that a God who doesn't have to follow the rules of the natural world doesn't exist because you can't prove his existence through natural means. You're trapped by the boundaries of that little box you live in.
That "little box" you refer to is the only method that can be proven to be a path to truth: demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid/sound logic.
Faith is not a path to truth. It is gullibility.
Quote:Science has no idea of what exists beyond the boundaries of our universe.
Yes, therefore there are universe creating gnomes that live outside of space/time. Right?
The fact that there are unknowns, and there will always be unknowns, does not mean your explanation is true.
Quote:If he is God, he can reveal himself to me and the billions of others that he has revealed himself to. It doesn't prove it to you, but it does prove it to those to whom he speaks.
The thing is, that your claims of a god revealing himself to you, looks identical to those of us on the outside, to the 1 billion Hindus and 1.5 billion Muslims claiming that their gods have also revealed themselves to them.
And on a side note, if Saul deserved a "Damascus Road experience", why not me?
Quote:Please don't judge those you don't know, and are more intelligent than you, and say that they don't know how to think.
They sure don't know how to think critically. At least about their god beliefs.
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You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
