RE: Jesus plan AND Obama's fault
March 5, 2011 at 12:02 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2011 at 12:12 am by reverendjeremiah.)
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: I'd have to be God to know what His plans are.Areed, omniscience is for deities.
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: God knows what I'm going to do,He new what you were going to do hundreds of years before you were born. Allah new his religion was going to split along tribal lines and cause many blood feuds, yet he allowed them to happen. If Allah didnt want Wahabists and Shiites to be fighting each other, he would not have allowed the split. The split happened. So either Allah WANTS the blood feuds, or he doesnt exist Or maybe Jehovah the Jewish God wanted your tribes to split and make war with each other to punish you for not worshipping the one true god. Or maybe Thor hates Arabs and Persian and laughs at their futile blood wars.
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: but this does not mean that He compels me to do somethingReally? Didnt you just say you had to be god to know his plans? Yet you say you know his plans for you. Tell me how you know that? You just came up with it on the spot huh? If Allah knows everything before it happens, and he knows something he doesnt like is going to happen, then why does he allow it to happen anyways? Freewill? How can freewill exist when there is an all powerful, all knowing being? It cant. Do you mean by freewill I can do something against Allahs plan? No? He already knew it. If you mean by freewill I can do things that god didnt foresee? Then your god is not all knowing nor all powerful if you can catch Allah by suprise, nor is his plan a good plan if us mere mortals can screw it up so easily. If you mean by freewill that Allah allows people to choose their path, be it evil or good.. then explain why a rapists free will to rape is more important to Allah than the victims freewill NOT to be raped? Allah knew that person was going to be raped and brutally murdered yet still let it happen? Then your Allah is a Demon who deserves to be rediculed and dispised as malevolent. If I was all powerful and all knowing, and stood by while your wife was gang raped and murdered, and refused to tell the police where the culprits were..would you love me and worship me, or would you dispise me? No. Freewill is something that can only exist in a godless cosmos.
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: nor does He take away my free will in performing such an action.So you can sneak up on Allah and startle him? If not then freewill doesnt exist. Can I comfound Allahs plans to punish the infidel? If not then freewill doesnt exist. Can I eat pork and drink a beer without Allah knowing about it? Then freewill doesnt exist, or allah doesnt exist. Does Allah have freewill? Is he allowed to change his mind and write another Quran, with another prophet?
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: I don't even *know* what God knows about my actions.but you *know* that he doesnt control your actions. Make up your mind..either you do or do not know what Allah knows.
(March 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Therefore, I cannot possibly blame or attribute all my actions to God instead of myself.What a horrible argument. If Allah is all powerful and existed he could do whatever he wanted. You havent the slightest clue. For all you know he snapped his finger and made those machine guns shoot those Christian missionaries just for some laughs, just so he could toss a few more children into his fiery torture chamber. Maybe Thor made those pirates shoot the missionaries so he can keep the Christians and Muslims killing each other as punishment for thinking he is a myth. You dont know SQUAT, and for someone who claims to live by faith you seem to not grasp its meaning. Faith meaning YOU DO NOT KNOW, but you believe on faith, which means anything could happen. What will you do if you find out Allah wrote the quran just to mislead people, and that Scientology is the right path that makes Allah happy..what are you going to do? Protest to an all powerful being that he broke his promise and fooled you? Are you going to cry foul to a power higher than Allah for justice?
Now do you see why deities are absurd?
What all powerful deity would allow so many millions of false religions to exist and compete with his? What all powerful deity would allow people freewill to fool people away from his path and then get angry at them for being fooled and torture them forever in fire? A malevolent, cruel demon. The fact that you actually hold this concept of Allah up as the source of goodness and justice KNOWING FULL WELL that this same being tortures people in fire for eternity is a stain on your integrity and propensity to even be trusted on your decision making for what constitutes benevolence. For all you know ALL of the Gods and Goddesses known by man exist. For all you know the native americans may have been correct. For all you know the god of mischief Loki has invented all of the worlds religions just to get his kicks. For all you know that "Allah" feeling you get when you have your religious moments is nothing more than a deception by Satan so that you will spend eternity with him in the flames..
Now do you see why EVERY deitiy and religion is absurd?