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I just don't get it
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RE: I just don't get it
(March 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Lek Wrote: Actually, the only way anyone becomes a true christian is if God speaks to them.  And I not specifically talking about hearing words, but rather communicating.  I'm just telling you how it is, which is also what the bible says.  I'd like to see everyone convert, but we all must receive it from God or it won't happen; and I can't make that happen.

So there you go, there is absolutely no evidence for existence of God except that "he's talking to you". And for a God who makes no difference in this world is no God at all. Not to mention that this kind of wishful thinking approach to the world is not good for shit. Knowledge isn’t knowledge unless it is factual, so “private knowledge” that comes through revelation or intuition isn’t really knowledge. It's not something you can use to fix your plumbing, your car, heal sick people, find lost objects by retracing our steps rather than looking elsewhere, praying for the answer or waiting for god to make you feel of how to heal some sick person.

That's why you have racists because they are led to believe of what they should feel because they're missing the crucial ingredients of verification and consensus. Or Holocaust denial, based largely on wish-thinking, has been refuted both in the courts and by historians armed with empirical evidence or should I say scientific method.
Because there is no end what "reality" can be when you're just relying on your feelings.

(March 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm)Lek Wrote: I believe Islam is a step toward finding God.  We're all somewhere in the process.  I think God has made Muslims aware of his existence; or rather those who have truly opened themselves to him.  The same goes for anyone who truly wants to know him.  That's not saying that Islam is the true faith, but that they have knowledge of God.  They know he exists.

And again that is your personal watered-down version of faith that is not held by most people, who accept instead a personal god who intervenes in the world. I mean are we seeing all believers as fundamentalists or scriptural literalists, and that we neglect the “strong and sophisticated” versions of faith held by liberal theologians? But it's the same problem with "liberal" believers that accept scientific stuff like evolution saying “The Bible is not a textbook of science.” but that is a rationale for believers to pick and choose what they consider really true in scripture. You know "I'll just believe the 'good' stuff." Because Bible (and therefore Christianity) is clear about other religions that they are wrong and people of other faiths are not even human beings, you don't get to choose what you believe you have priests and holy book tell you.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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I just don't get it - by ScepticOrganism - February 22, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: I just don't get it - by ScepticOrganism - February 22, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: I just don't get it - by ScepticOrganism - February 22, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: I just don't get it - by AFTT47 - February 22, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Gawdzilla - February 22, 2016 at 9:52 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Joods - February 22, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Chad32 - February 22, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 9:56 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Brian37 - February 22, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: I just don't get it - by GUBU - February 24, 2016 at 9:54 am
I just don't get it - by LadyForCamus - February 22, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Joods - February 22, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Thumpalumpacus - February 22, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: I just don't get it - by ErGingerbreadMandude - February 22, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by loganonekenobi - February 22, 2016 at 12:41 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by BlackBird - February 22, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 22, 2016 at 3:19 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 22, 2016 at 3:20 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Angrboda - February 22, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 22, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Brian37 - February 22, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - February 22, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Red_Wind - February 22, 2016 at 6:01 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: I just don't get it - by emjay - February 24, 2016 at 11:18 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by emjay - February 25, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 25, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by emjay - February 26, 2016 at 10:26 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by drfuzzy - February 27, 2016 at 12:09 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 25, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: I just don't get it - by emjay - February 25, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Minimalist - February 25, 2016 at 1:43 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 25, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: I just don't get it - by emjay - February 25, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - February 25, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: I just don't get it - by awoken - February 26, 2016 at 1:23 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Joods - February 26, 2016 at 1:25 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - February 29, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Fake Messiah - March 1, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 1, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Fake Messiah - March 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 2, 2016 at 7:07 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - March 1, 2016 at 6:12 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Simon Moon - March 1, 2016 at 7:01 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 2, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2016 at 7:09 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 2, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2016 at 8:30 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - March 2, 2016 at 10:06 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 2, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Fake Messiah - March 3, 2016 at 7:37 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 3, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Fake Messiah - March 4, 2016 at 2:26 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Joods - March 3, 2016 at 8:25 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - March 4, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 4, 2016 at 11:13 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - March 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - March 3, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Cato - March 4, 2016 at 2:53 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lek - March 4, 2016 at 12:55 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Whateverist - March 5, 2016 at 12:56 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - March 3, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Minimalist - March 3, 2016 at 5:14 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Joods - March 3, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Minimalist - March 3, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by Angrboda - March 4, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by God of Mr. Hanky - March 4, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 3:03 am
RE: I just don't get it - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Lach - March 7, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: I just don't get it - by Old Baby - March 7, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: I just don't get it - by RozKek - March 17, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: I just don't get it - by ignoramus - March 17, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: I just don't get it - by ignoramus - March 17, 2016 at 6:27 am

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