Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus is Not God

[Rayaan]

You don't know what he is. Or who he is. Or even if he even exists. Yet you assume you know exactly how he wants you to live your life and you oblige to some rather strict codes of conduct about how you get to act in the vain hope of some sort of afterlife. It's Pathetic.

I do believe in God but I don't claim to know that He exists nor even be able to define Him fully.

Since I believe in God, it's not unreasonable for me to follow a religion as well because the same belief that I have was also shared by the Prophets like Jesus, Muhammad, Moses, Noah, etc. and this was the foundation for the monotheistic religions. As for the codes of conduct, the reason that I believe in them is because if I believe that God has placed millions and millions of interconnected biological instructions in our bodies, then, it's not that different for me to think that God would make external instructions for us to follow as well (as we see in religion). There are many kinds of laws - laws of motion, physics, chemistry, etc. - and if believe that God created them then it's not unconvincing for me to believe that God has made moral laws, too.

The Trinity was always a bit confusing, that's the only point from this show I agreed with, but he wasn't refuting the Christian view of the Trinity and Jesus divinity, he was refuting his own misinterpretation of the christian view.

I don't think he was misinterpreting his own view of Christianity but rather the misinterpretation of some Christians, because as indicated by fr0d0's post, there are already many verses in the Bible which infer that Jesus is God (even though I'm not sure what are the correct interpretations). But, I'm aware that maybe this is not the mainstream view of Christianity (as you and tackattack said). Both of you said that you do believe in the Trinity but do not believe that Jesus is God.

I understand NOT believing in something if you say you dont know. But how do you reconcile BELIEVING you something you say you do not know?

I believe in God mainly because of a kind of inductive reasoning by looking at the complexity of the world around me. It seems to me that there is some kind of an "intelligence" unfolding in the universe when I look at the beauty and complexity of the stars, planets, the variety of animals, plants, the human body, and so many other things in the universe. They are like the fingerprints of an intelligent designer even though I don't see Him directly. So, what I'm saying is that the fact that I believe in God doesn't have to mean that this has to be true only after knowing Him.

Gadzooks! It sounds to me like you don't know what the fuck you believe in. Maybe you're one of those Muslims who takes the position that it is possible that all of this Islam stuff is complete bullshit, but just in case it is true, you better claim to be a believer, lest you wind up in hell.

No, if I thought that Islam is complete bullshit, then there's no reason for me to claim to be a believer. Pascal's wager wouldn't suffice either.

I really really really don't want to get into this discussion with you Rayaan, but I'll answer and leave it there if you don't mind. You did just ask my opinion after all.

Thanks for the reply.

I don't want to argue with you either, and I shouldn't, because it seems that my knowledge of Christianity is poorer than yours and you have studied the religion a lot more than I did. So, that's why I'm not fit to debate this topic with you. I just wanted to see how you would support your beliefs by using what is in the Bible. My understanding from your post is that, according to your view of Christianity, Jesus IS God, but I also understand that there's a difference of opinion on this issue among the Christians (i.e. whether Jesus is God or not). This is due to various interpretations of the Bible I suppose. But regardless, thanks for putting the time and effort to respond. I'll look over your post once again.