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[reverendjeremiah]

1- I never said that ignoring evidence is good thing. If you actually read my post (which you did by quoting out of context) I was saying the exact opposite. However you're implying supposing or hypothesizing (going beyond what's right and proper) ignores evidence by default (and by false analogy). In fact it is an integral part of the scientific process. I did not say it is OK to ever ignore evidence, merely that your analogy was false that "going above what's right and proper" is a good thing at times (hypothesizing). As far as my stance on ignoring evidence, I don't feel it's ever proper to ignore evidence. Hope that's clearer and can get over your need to argue and read we're in agreement on this.

I disagree...but what is the point of arguing anymore?

2- I believe I clearly stated that I don't believe the entirety of identity is located in the brain. I thought I referenced it as well, something I've yet see you do. To put it simply, the brain would be the mechanism for physical interaction with tangible reality for the mind. The subjectivity of experiences, accumulated qualia, and the entirety of identity are what is deemed as the mind. Currently no theory I'm aware of can successfully tie all qualia and identity to a physical mechanism A few examples:

You never was clear about your imaginary soul regardless, so it makes little difference.. You need to study more on the brain. Enough said on that one. You have had plenty of time to prove your "soul" (as the burdon of proof is on you for the soul). All I have seen you do is argue non-stop but never give difinitive proof of a soul.

2a- Sense of time requires no physical or external input. It merely requires the brain to be "on". This informs me that some aspects of the mind are independent of input. While sense of time is stored in the brain there it is clearly not a need for external input

Perhaps vaguely what you are saying fits the medula oblongata. Please give affirmative proof of a soul before you try to act like it exists again.

2b- There are plenty of cases of frontal lobe disorder, as well as countless case studies of prefrontal lobotomies, where people aren't zombies as they are commonly portrayed in movies. If you do a tiny bit of research, even Google will perhaps show you that identity is not stored in the frontal lobes as you're all but saying with

I said to scoop out ALL of your frontal lobes. Lobotomies do not do that.

3- The example I showed in a previous post are fairly straightforward. There was no breath, no blood flow, no blood in the brain, no brain electric activity in the brain. I wasn't citing it for any angle on the miraculous or the special, it's not unique. However it does show that identity doesn't cease at death (no matter how complicated your criteria DBP). Then what would hold identity? Monist materialists or any physicalists feel free to answer that question.

And that proves what? that the Christian concept of the soul is correct? Must I remind you again that the soul has not been proven beyond a concept (i.e. "imaginary"). Try again. And stop beating around the bush this time. I want components, dimensions, weights, etc for a soul or otherwise you are full of shit.

4- Using that same reference as one example people have cited things they could not have known during cases where there was no brain activity (thus no input from perceived reality or manufacturing of qualia). What recorded that experience? It obviously can't have been the brain.

Using words like "qualia" does not excuse you from the burdon of proof. YOU MUST PROVE A SOUL EXISTS FIRST. I can easily invent any type of argument that mimicks what you are begging the question for..chakras, karma...you say a soul. PROVE IT or it is correct to ignore it like you ignore karma.

5- The idea of an IMMORTAL soul is platonic. I never stated that a souls wasn't Biblical, it of course is. As the verse you so aptly quoted shows it isn't immortal if it can be destroyed.

and yet all it is is an idea. And you did state a soul wasnt biblical. You need to be better with your words.

5a- That brings up another misconception you have of me, I never stated I believed you would be eternally punished in hell. I don't feel that is clearly Biblical teaching and would cite the same verse you quoted. It is "destroyed", not "tormented for all eternity"

But you said that people who arent saved would be destroyed. the old testament and Jesus disagree with you. Must I post all of the verses on hell and eternal torture that Jesus will throw those who refuse to worship him in?

6- If you think my understanding of anatomy is trumped by your 10 year old son, please be specific and cite references.Or this will cease being productive and you would have proved yourself an ignorant troll.

I admited that was an ad hominim. You can disregard it. I admit it was illogical.

7- Your references to my comment 2 in the prior post should be more specific. I feel it isn't Biblical principles to be tortured forever, nor is it intuitive (see point 5a). At least we can agree on the point that I also "don't consider living a lie, and avoiding evidence, to be a "good" life."

Yet being in the lake of fire for all eternity isnt considered torture to you? If I water boarded you for ten minutes, would that be torture?
FACT: Jesus speaks of hell fire
FACT: Revelations has Jesus throwing those who do not worship him into hell fire
FACT: Revelations has Jesus throwing hell itself into the lake of fire for the second death for all eternity.
FACT: If you worship the bible Jesus, then you worship he who tortures with hell fire.
FACT: If you disagree with this then you disagree with bible Jesus like I do. Bible Jesus is a prick and a torturer.

Completely off and incorrect. I clearly laid out several points, the gist of which you clearly don't fathom. I didn't bring up God or Jesus others did. I don't believe nor have I stated that ignoring evidence is a good thing. I don't believe you're being arrogant, just inconsiderate and ignorant as I clearly laid out in points above. If you wish to prove me wrong address them directly and effectively and stop seeking approval from your fellow atheists.

But I am so lovable and agreeable to the atheists that they will aprove of me anyways. I make cool games that they can shoot jeebus on. Why not just go over to http://www.jesuschristarcade.com and have some fun...mmmkay?