(March 5, 2016 at 11:12 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: From what I understand it's not that goodness exists independent of God neither does it exist on the whims of God, but rather God himself is that morality, that standard, and God is not arbitrary nor does he will on whim but rather wills according to ultimate greatness which is not abitrary.
The thing is if God cannot create morality without it already always existing, the same is true of evolution which he can create and can create everything that evolution can create. So there is a problem with saying God cannot but evolution can.
Therefore the way I see it is that morality always existed. Now morality takes vision, comprehension, a perception. This shows that an eternal perception of it always existed. This is only possible with a living being.
The Greatest greatness cannot be but a living reality. That perception of ultimate greatness and moral perfection is knowledge of itself, and witnessing and testimony to it's absolute living reality.
Morality is not eternal - human morality, to be specific, did not exist prior to the evolution of humanity, and it will cease to exist when we are all gone. Your god wasn't there when evolution began because he exists strictly within the heads of his believers, and there weren't any believers around then.
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