My views on objective morality

[robvalue]

Yes, of course we can still be friends CL I had no intention of things being otherwise. I don't expect everyone to agree with me on every subject. I'm sorry I have upset you, but I'm just calling things like I see them. After this, I won't discuss religion any more with you and I'll stick to other subjects.

I'll say that you don't mean to directly condone rape, but that in my opinion you inadvertently try and defend a guilty party. I don't mean to say you literally mean rape is OK, I know you don't think that at all. My choice of words maybe wasn't very accurate and I apologize. I didn't handle it well.

It's just scary to me that religion can get someone as nice as you to say these things. Of course you don't think there is a problem, because you've had all the excuses hammered into you and that God is good no matter what. It's the religion talking, not you. You are better than it. But you've described a God who watches and allows rape, and you're coming to his defense. If any being watches a rape, and easily has the power to stop the rape, then they are complicit in my opinion. If you don't think that's being complicit, then I don't know what I can tell you. Being "God" is no excuse. In fact, I'd hold him to a higher standard if anything. If the autonomy of a rapist is so important, why would we stop them doing it?

Because we're more moral than the God you describe. You are, we all are. You fully expect us to do what he will not. If you just said you don't understand it, I could accept that. But you decide to come to his defense with actual arguments about free will, and this is where you associate yourself with his (in)actions.

The final point is that you trust this being who is complicit in rape when he says "don't worry, it will all be alright, I have a plan", while he watches yet more rapes he knew would happen when he first set things up. That things can somehow be OK, and his allowing the rape could be justified. Of all the things I would call someone who sets up events so that rapes will take place, watches them and does nothing about them, moral is not one of them. And it makes me sad that anyone would defend such a monster. The fact that he's fictional doesn't change this, because you think he's real.

I'll leave it at that, I don't want to say any more on the subject. I've been too honest and upset you, and I didn't wish that to happen. I should have trusted my instincts and just avoided the whole discussion. So my apologies. However, I respect you too much to lie about the facts as I see them.