Theist zone

[Captain Scarlet]

@Cap'n Scarlet: The immaterial, metaphysical entities and devices themselves would have no empirical evidence for themselves, but you are correct in saying the impact of these things on the natural world would be observable. In the case of a soul, I refer back to what I previously stated on the subject, which was

The soul is a personal thing, we find it within ourselves and all the proof one needs of it is a glance at the inner workings of oneself. It's like breathing, something you do all the time but could almost never explain.

No one can tell another what exactly a soul is, for with each new person comes a new soul. There may be similarities between two souls and they may intertwine but ultimately they defy label or category, description or knowledge. You can't just ask me what exactly a soul is and expect my answer to satisfy you, because at the end of the day that is all that it is; my answer. Yours is still yet to be found, as you have ceased looking.

The soul is a personal thing. The impact it has on one's life is unique to the individual and observable as such. Ever felt you had a 'calling'? Ever ended up somewhere you needed to be at the exact right time? The soul is a small ripple in the current of something much bigger. You see a soul through its impact on the world, not through seeing the soul itself. I doubt you'd be able to describe a soul to someone else if you did see it anyway. It's not definable by standard means, and to ask someone to describe something so silly as its physical characteristics, such as height and weight and volume, is ridiculously petty and materialistic.

You know how we've never seen a black hole before? But yet we are aware of their existence through the impact they have on the universe? Yeah, now apply that same reasoning to the soul. Because if you can apply it to black holes but not souls, you're being dishonest with yourself.

Firstly. The black hole analogy is a really poor one. We measure and observe the effects of black holes, 3 that I'm aware of are: Hawkings Radiation, the velocity of orbiting stars around the galagtic centre, gravitational lensing. This is backed by mathematical models which all fully support the observations. There is NO equivalent for the existence of souls and I therefore feel fully justifed AND honest in rejecting one and accepting the other.

Secondly. You have made an explictly scientific claim in that souls exist and that they are capable of interacting with our physical bodies. Would you like to back that up with some evidence or reasoning which supports substance dualism.

Thirdly. Have you met the immaterial puppet master? He controls us, I can't tell you how; he has a different set of strings for each one of us, I cant tell you how I know or believe that; some strings look alike, although I have never seen them. Doubting his existence or his effects on the material world is petty and trying to measure him is ridiculous and materialistic.