(March 11, 2016 at 5:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Indoctrination? please, Since when is teaching a child to love their fellow man indoctrination?
Loving your fellow man, one you can see and talk to is one thing. Loving an imaginary being is another. I choose not to lie to my child by telling her that she is loved by something that will never sit with her and eat lunch and answer the all important questions he's been dodging for the last 2000 years. I'd rather teach her about reality than a fairy tale.
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Quote:The second commandment is like the first because in loving your neighbor, you love God.
So the book says, but until there is actual proof of god, these are just words with zero guarantees of anything. My reality is that again, until god accepts my offer to buy him lunch and answer my questions, he is not real.
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Quote:If "indoctrination" makes a child a good human being, how is that a bad thing?
That's the thing, there is no proof that "indoctrination" makes a child a good human being. If that is the case, then why are the vast majority of prisons filled with religious prisoners? So much for good humans. If a person can't determine what is good and what is bad, what is right and what is wrong, they lack empathy, not religion.
Indoctrination is a bad thing, in my opinion, because
1. it uses fear and love both at the same time, to cause someone to love some entity that they will never meet face to face in their lifetime.
2. It teaches them that it is okay to lie to others. Religious people constantly cherry pick which parts of the bible they want to believe in and often times, teach children that the story of the Ark was real. The story of the ark was not real. Neither was the flood. There has never been any solid, concrete evidence of either one. Both made up stories. Yet, these are two of the biggest lies taught to kids in sunday school.
3. It teaches children that if they do something and god doesn't like it, they will go to hell. What bad things could a child possibly do that would warrant that sort of fear to be placed in their head?
4. It teaches them to be followers instead of developing proper critical thinking skills.
5. It teaches them that they are not supposed to question god or religion. That they are to just comply and follow (read: love god)
6. It teaches them that it is acceptable to be confused because they aren't supposed to challenge religion or god.
Quote:As far as not eating unclean meats are concerned:
Quote:1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
If you were a Seventh Day Adventist, you would be following the OT. This is what my ex's parents follow and what their church follows. They go off the OT and what it says about clean and unclean meats. However, they too, cherry pick what parts of the OT they choose to believe in.
If his parents weren't in their 90's and rather frail, I would love to debate them on the parts of the OT that talk about women with short hair, wearing mixed fabrics, eating dairy and meat in the same meal, slavery and the rest of the unpleasantness that is there. I would debate my ex about it, but I am extremely low contact for a reason.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
