RE: My views on objective morality
March 11, 2016 at 6:15 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 6:16 pm by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(March 11, 2016 at 5:57 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 5:17 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: You really are doing good with the way you layer on the shit, but Rob's parents didn't invent evil, therefore evil is not what they are culpable for when others do it. Since it exists anyway, all good parents must teach their children about avoiding it. While Xtians deny that their god is responsible for inventing evil, DAFUQ - He's everything, and you cannot deny that if you believe he made everything! He is all of this universe's material (where the fuck else did it come from), he invented life, animal decision-making, and the human brain, and all the chemical switches which allow the choice between sociable and anti-social behaviors.
Christian doctrine doesn't say that God is "all of this universe's material", so I'm not sure what you're getting at there. Christianity is certainly not pantheistic. As for where the universe came from; you seem to be applying the laws of physics (which even physicists will argue only apply to objects *within* our current universe) to God, which doesn't work either scientifically or theologically. God exists outside of the universe; he invented the laws of physics; he isn't bound by them. God, being all-powerful, can create matter out of nothing; that's where the universe's material came from.
Quote:With a word he breathed out life, and then he farted and out came demons and evil.
Not how that happened but I have a suspicion you aren't trying to take this conversation seriously.
It's a rare atheist who can take this nonsense seriously enough to spend days arguing for it, but it's your site, therefore it's your party, so knock yourself out.
Quote:Quote:What is criminal in humanity isn't wrong with other species if it helps those which commit said possible wrongs in their survival. Evil is therefore strictly a human thing, and it's the Xtian god who rightfully gets the credit for inventing humans and their evil, not the devil and demons which he, seeing all that they would do, did not refrain from creating as well.
Here's the argument: God didn't create evil, he created the ability for humans to choose. God could have created a universe where humans were mindlessly moral beings, going around, never murdering, never raping, never stealing, etc. God didn't want that for humans though; he wanted beings that had the same freedom of choice that he did, so they weren't bound to him, but rather had to choose him over everything else.
As a result of free will, humans can choose not to do good things, which is what we call evil. Are good and evil separate things at all, or is evil just the absence of good? Did God invent darkness, or is darkness just the absence of light, which God did invent? Same with good/evil.
(March 11, 2016 at 5:25 pm)IATIA Wrote: This definitely falls into the category of "So what's your point?".
And for sake of argument, let us say there is a god. Does not god do just fine without evil and temptation?
Well my point was that without suffering, we have nothing to compare happiness with, so happiness would become a meaningless emotion.
God does just fine without evil and temptation because God is a perfect being who cannot do wrong (so cannot do evil) and is not tempted for the same reason.
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