My views on objective morality

[Losty]

"Anything He doesn't like" means anything evil, though. And it also means doing it purposely with full knowledge and consent of the will, and with no remorse. That's the Catholic position anyway, not necessarily the position of every Christian denomination.

But it doesn't acknowledge how a person arrives at that state.  We know now how people end up that way-- abuse as children, neglect of parents, poverty, brain developmental issues, etc.  I could go to places in American ghettoes and say that just by being born into that environment, a person has a huge chance of going to hell, because he will HAVE to harden his heart to much evil in the world just to be tough enough to survive in that environment.

Rich white people are all about liberty and free will, because they haven't been robbed of their liberty or been punished (for the most part) for the ways the express their free will.  But where's the spiritual liberty of a crack baby who develops into a murderer?

If I was a catholic altar boy, and had been raped and then watched the rapist protected by the church, I wouldn't be much inclined to open my heart to God or to the church.  I'd be developing telephoto pictures in a basement darkroom and stockpiling a collection of machine guns.  And any God who wouldn't understand that I was on a lifelong full-tilt because of events completely beyond my control can't really be said to be omniscient.

Until the Catholic church makes robbing poor or abused people of an equal chance of encountering and accepting God's grace the greatest sin of all, I have to say that your vision of free will is an incoherent moral view.  Forgiveness is great, and so are rainbows and puppy dogs, but I feel people should pay for the harm they do to others, and should not get a free pass just because they want a last-minute stairway to heaven.

I don't think it works this way. You don't just ask for a last minute stairway to heaven and get it even though you're a horrible person. Only if your heart is truly good and you've sought forgiveness out of true remorse.

I don't agree with the whole people should pay for the things they've done idea. I always struggled more with thinking that nothing anyone could ever do could warrant an eternity in hell.