RE: Mind is the brain?
March 16, 2016 at 11:35 am
(This post was last modified: March 16, 2016 at 11:41 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 16, 2016 at 11:20 am)bennyboy Wrote: There are brains in jars in labs. What, exactly, do you suppose they are thinking about right now?I have a tablet powered down right here in front of me...what do you think it's computing?
Quote:That's a strange thing to post right after I just speculated on a scientific experiment that might help bridge the philosophical gap between science and subjectivism.I don't think it would, you would have merely moved the subjective point of origin.
Quote:Organic nerves and neurotransimtters.In what way are they unique? A silicon chip and an analog tube are unique in relation to each other...and yet......
Quote:That is a lot of words to say, "Screw qualia, I'll define mind in mechanical terms and pretend I'm not begging the question when I say machines think."Actually it's a detailed way to explain why you were wrong about processing and comp..and how that might relate to mind or qualia...I can understand why you'd ignore the former.
Quote:More of the above. Qualia isn't information about what things are: it's the "what it's like" of experiencing them. I'm pretty sure nothing about my computer, or my monitor, is doing that. Nor, for that matter, is most of my brain.Your computer is most definitely behind flaming bears dropping on people heads. Your qualia regarding annie at mid is a description of that machines operation. It's may be other things as well, but there's no sense in pretending that your computer doesn't have anything to do with your qualia in the case of experiencing a computer game.
Quote:Show me something in all this process that ISN'T an interface with something else. Where does the buck stop, and we can say: "Here. This is where a bunch of electro-chemical signals is experienced"?You won't be satisfied, making the question tedious. I could tell you, for example, that we've located the place in the brain where the experience of color resides. I;d be referring to science though, which is insufficient, as things may not be as they seem.
Quote: What is the principle by which all the hundreds or thousands of separate circuits firing in the brain are coordinated into a single sense of agency? In what "space" are processes in different parts of the brains brought together in this way?It appears that it happens across the entire brain. If you're asking me to point to a single place when I don't think there is a single place, and when all the evidence available cannot identify a single place...instead telling us that it;s a conglomerate of actions....then you're attempting to object by irrational means. How come there are no crocoducks?
How is it that this comment of yours here manages to overcome your own objections anyway? Maybe it just -seems- like there's a single sense of agency......and explaining why it seems that way is no more difficult than explaining why your task manager -seems- to be a single agency coordinating the various processes of your computer when it is, in fact, a summary - not coordination...that happens at a much lower level.
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