RE: Mind is the brain?
March 17, 2016 at 11:52 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2016 at 12:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 17, 2016 at 11:37 am)bennyboy Wrote: Here's the thing. In a purely parallel system, which the mind apparently is since you claim there's no unifying factor or mechanism, there's no defined input, processing and output. A neuron is a mini computer in itself, so if processing is mind, then a neuron would perhaps have a mind.Not unless you're satisfied with a definition of mind which is far - far less than the "whole mind" you experience. We're making subtle equivocations now. Compelling, but misleading.
Quote:In fact, I think you could argue that the energetic states of electrons as they interact with others is a kind of comp-- but you wouldn't want to say comp "mind."Even less of a "mind" than a nueron's "mind"...and now the equivocation is not so subtle at all.
Quote:The thing is that the term "processing" is applied to a system of state from the outside. The reality is that processing is just another word for changes in state over time, and that is happening literally everywhere, all the time.No, that;s not what processing is at all. Many things change state over time, that doesn't make them processors. To be able to process data a system must be able to possess a state, and the state must be changeable, but this is only one (and the most basic) requirement even for processing..let alone computation. Another not-so-subtle equivocation.
Quote:Is it not arbitrary exactly which systems you call comp minds, and which you just think are shit happening?Is the distinction between a rock and a pc as regards which is a computer arbitrary? Ever tried to run linux on a pile of river pebbles? I don;t think that "stuff" in the general has a mind. I don't think that calculators have a mind. I do think that a -computer- might, and I also think that we may be computers....but I don;t think that all minds would be the same. After all, ours seem to be different from each other. Hark back to the electro-chemical bit. We know that emotion is strongly tied to chemical properties. We know that emotional response varies between even two human beings. I don't expect a resistance mind to share our experience there. It may be able to understand what we mean, it may be able to predict our behaviors, but it wouldn't be any more similar to a human mind in that regard than human minds are to each other....and I would suspect a great deal less. All bets are off, imo, if the machine mind is electro-chemical rather than resistance based...but even then....whatever chemical experiences it has would be determined by the ways that those chemicals act on it's structure, and if it were made of metal rather than cells..that could be vastly different.
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