@ reverendjeremiah-
The logical thing to do with this:
"If you think I'm a troll then ban my ass. "- reverendjeremiah
would be to temp ban you to cool your jets since I've clearly pointed out your trollish behavior and you've admitted to trollish behavior and inciting a moderator
The PC thing to do would be to let another moderator do it
The emotional response would be to simply warn you to cease and decist your attempted flame war.
Please forgive my emotional response. You are not required to post in any thread. I think you'll find I'm actually one of the more tolerant moderators and allow athesits more leway in flaming and ad hominems because there's value in simply venting on a theist for some athesits, while holding theists at a higher standard as this isn't our forum. Please keep your responces on point of topic and drop this because this won't escalate and I consider som of your post contibutory to the community. Future instances of intentionally starting a flame war with a moderator will result in your banning. Consider that an official ceasefire.
/end modhat
As to the points you raised-
The link I posted wasn’t about a soul and I didn’t present it as conclusive evidence, it was the reliability of instances where the brain was not able to record or process info, but when consciousness returned new information had been processed.
The logical thing to do with this:
"If you think I'm a troll then ban my ass. "- reverendjeremiah
would be to temp ban you to cool your jets since I've clearly pointed out your trollish behavior and you've admitted to trollish behavior and inciting a moderator
The PC thing to do would be to let another moderator do it
The emotional response would be to simply warn you to cease and decist your attempted flame war.
Please forgive my emotional response. You are not required to post in any thread. I think you'll find I'm actually one of the more tolerant moderators and allow athesits more leway in flaming and ad hominems because there's value in simply venting on a theist for some athesits, while holding theists at a higher standard as this isn't our forum. Please keep your responces on point of topic and drop this because this won't escalate and I consider som of your post contibutory to the community. Future instances of intentionally starting a flame war with a moderator will result in your banning. Consider that an official ceasefire.
/end modhat
As to the points you raised-
The link I posted wasn’t about a soul and I didn’t present it as conclusive evidence, it was the reliability of instances where the brain was not able to record or process info, but when consciousness returned new information had been processed.
(March 12, 2011 at 3:36 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote:
1- NDE refers to near death experience. OK I’ll just put analogies aside then. How would you explain the retention and continued development of identities and memories after the death of the brain and a partial/full recovery of communicable consciousness in materialistic or physicalist terms? Souls are not independently verifiable objectively, I agree at this point. Until we have the ability to directly see or communicate thoughts I feel this will probably remain a difficult hurdle to overcome.
3- If a squirrel can search for an item it must then have a concept of the item to verify his perceived reality against. He finds an item that matches his expected input and stores it away. Most mammals can count or at least subitize. The squirrel is also self-aware and passes the mirror test. There have been specific instances tested in a wild environment without coaching as well. Most mammals can count and have some measurable intelligence, arguably even personality traits. The point being that if you’re placing logic, match and thought into just possessing a neocortex that’s incorrect to. Certain birds and octopi have exhibited intelligence. To claim abstract concepts like math and reason are uniquely human inventions is not a view I would expect you to have. We are distinctly different from animals, IMO, only in that we have been able to communicate experiences (whether valid or real is yet to be discussed) that have been experienced without the use of any biological medium.
4- Indicate that it’s likely that the reports from individuals of different religious backgrounds have similar types of experiences reported during near death experiences. Indicative that, given there is no biological activity (whole brain or heart) and somehow that a person was able to recover from that state, that they would be able to have experiences
5- I do not believe I stated that souls don’t include our personalities or memories, just that it’s not the most arguable quality. I said, if not implied, that personalities and self are influenced by our physical structures and processes of the brain. That would include memories. It actually logically flows that the soul serving as a backup repository for memories ( uninfluenced by conscious processes and rationality) could account for memories in the absence of brain activity. Just that the conscious mind has no direct access to them while the overriding experiential active memory is in place and functioning. It is indicative that something is informing the consciousness of preternatural events. I fully admit that I’m presuming the preternatural informant is the Christian concept of a soul, and that it’s most likely biased of my religious views. It very well could be invisible brain goblins.
7- I guess shutting off the brain, draining it of blood, dropping the core temp and asking a series of questions of flashing a sequence of images would be one way to test it.
If animals can count they will have been coached by humans. I am sure that squirrels would regard more nuts as better than less nuts. But whether they know they have 2 or 1 I doubt.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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