Objective vs. Subjective morality: what's the diff?

[robvalue]

Yeah... any particular fixed moral code is subjective generated, but can be viewed as objective. You're right, it is then both.

Religious people don't mean objective. They mean either "best" or "external", as far as I can see. Objective doesn't automatically mean good. We make methods of assessment objective when it is useful to do so, such as how we measure length. It's my opinion that it's not useful to try and do the same thing with morality. You're simply not going to get people to all agree on the same standard, ever, because there is no reason for them to do so. Instead, we try to come to mutual general agreements through discussion. Anything else is unrealistic, and would amount to fascism and enforcing "morality" as law.

Religious people choose a moral code, and everyone else also chooses a moral code. They are just saying they will refuse to ever change theirs, where as everyone else is usually prepared to try and improve it with new experiences and knowledge. They often make this choice based on dogma, whereas everyone else usually bases it on what they consider to be important in the world.

Ultimately, the religious "objective morality" just means "arbitrary and unchanging". It's surrendering all your humanity, and putting blind faith into a being, while having no way to know whether or not it has our best interests at heart. If you do have a way, then you're admitting you have a standard of morality independent from this being.