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Proving God in 20 statements

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RE: Proving God in 20 statements

March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm (This post was last modified: March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm by robvalue.)

So you've "proved" there is a "first cause", and you're just labelling this first cause "God".

How do you prove this cause is sentient? Even if it is, how do you know anything about it?

Why should I care about it, even if it does exist?

Arguments are not evidence. You're exploring a heavily simplified abstract model of reality, hoping you're not missing any possible details which could affect the reliability of your model, and producing results you can't possibly test or verify.

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Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - March 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:23 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:46 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Silver - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm

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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:42 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 2:45 am

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:23 am

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 11:30 pm

RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm

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