RE: Mind is the brain?
April 2, 2016 at 3:27 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2016 at 3:38 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 2, 2016 at 12:58 am)bennyboy Wrote:I'm saying that mind might be a comp system, and the physical mechanism is a structure capable of leveraging comp principles.
You are saying that physical structures are mind, while completely failing to provide a physical mechanism by which they are mind.
Quote:You refer to ideas about information and processing, but have absolutely no representation of how it is that multiple physical interactions (photon absorption, etc.) are unified. You keep saying you've done this, but you never actually have.You typed your response up on a working -demonstration- of how multiple physical interactions are unified. It also happens to be a comp system.
Quote:A table is a man-made artifact, and can be whatever we want it to be. We are free to define it. We have not created either QM particles or mind, and are not really free to define these as other than they are. Well, we can, but then we'd be creating a mythology of mind rather than attempting to actually explain itIndeed it is, and we made that artifact out of particles. We were free to define what we meant by table, and we have. There are, of course, things that we didn't create that also meet this definition. Your point?
Quote:I keep talking about magic because your terms, no matter how much you insist they are specific, are very much arbitrary.Except that they aren't, and you can't describe what's arbitrary about them without describing a misunderstanding you have fully exposed -by- those very same definitions.
Quote:You have to impose on a given system your OWN ideas about processing of information, and define mind in terms of those ideas. This is because, minus the value you apply to collections of physical systems, those things are not discrete objects, but are simply part of the myriad interactions going on all over the Universe.You keep returning to your computer to respond to me, as though you know it's a distinct object from a melon. Have you tried using the melon? If I didn't narrow down all of the stuff happening in the universe to just the stuff happening that I'm talking about, we couldn't even have the conversation. Description and identity would be unintelligible "Hey go get me my -all of the stuff happening in the universe- over there". To what am I referring? Car keys, or maybe the car...or maybe a bong...who knows. What are you objecting to, exactly, in objecting to specificity? Not two breaths ago you were bemoaning a -lack- of specificity. WTF.........?
OFC computation is part of the myriad interactions going on all over the universe...not even wrong...but still insufficient. I'm not discussing -all the myriad interactions in the universe-. Only those that fit the definition of a comp system, because those interactions are the ones I would suggest as candidates for mind.
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