RE: Mind is the brain?
April 3, 2016 at 11:59 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2016 at 12:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 2, 2016 at 7:44 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Okay, let's take as an example of a comp system a computer. I believe you would call a computer a computer, or am I still assuming too much?Ofc
Quote:How much of that box sitting on my desk is the computer as it fits your definition, and how much is just stuff? Surely the case and power supply, while important, are not part of the computer as you define it, right? How about a hard drive? How about a hard drive that is connected, but is empty and never accessed?They're a part of -your- computer. One is necessary, one is recommended. The hard drive is memory, memory is a requirement for a comp system. If it's empty, it's still a part of the system, if there is -no- access it isn't..but if there is and it's simply disabled, still a part of the system.
Quote:Given that in theory, parts could be arranged to contact each other directly, would you include the metal traces on the motherboard? How about the pins on a chip of RAM?The traces are part of your system, ofc. Gotta have a PCB. Without transmission you can't manipulate data, and so can't be a comp system. Ditto on the pins.
Quote:If you look at a RAM chip under a microscope, most of the electronic pathway is simply transmitting a signal, and is not storing information or processing it in any way.Excuse me....lol? The "M" stands for memory. They're -made- to be uncomplicated traces. That's what gives them speed.
Quote:In fact, if you look at all the material in a computer, maybe 1% or less actually does any of the things you claim a comp mind does. So let me ask you again: is my computer a computer, by definition? Or is it 1% computer + 99% "just stuff" ?OFC it's stuff(your pc...and, imo, your mind), still not even wrong, and still insufficient. Have you tried to use the melon yet? As ever, regardless of a pc being made of stuff, you can't pile any old stuff up and claim to have a computer - or a comp system. If you went to Best Buy, and they sold you a box that said it contained a computer, when in fact it contained a load of pen springs, I doubt you'd stand there smiling "well, it's all just stuff", on account of them both being 99% metal.
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