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Proving God in 20 statements
RE: Proving God in 20 statements
(April 4, 2016 at 11:25 pm)smfortune Wrote:
(April 4, 2016 at 11:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The way you explained your argument is either fallacy by ambiguity (misusing the word "greatest") or it's fallacy by affirming the conclusion (ie. your argument states in the argument the conclusion that leads exactly to the conclusion).

I believe in God and I believe there are good arguments to point to his existence as well some clear reminders.  However, I don't find your argument strong at all.

Your difficulty lies in the argument's ontological leanings. I understand that. For 10 centuries philosophers have been trying to debunk it. I've tied the ontologocial argument to a mathematical observation: Incompleteness. The tethering makes the onotological conclusion even more obvious. I'd hoped that "greatness" would finally be understood in the infinite being necessarily revealed in an explanation of the universe. But the argument isn't a fallacy, on the contrary, it is valid and sound (but not convincing)...it wasn't meant to be such (at least not for the ardent atheist). I'm glad that we've finally come around to opening the door to true questionning. Perhaps there is a god, who could this being be? I believe that truth leads only one way.

Easy, FSM.  Let him into your heart and you'll see.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - March 31, 2016 at 11:39 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Silver - March 31, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Bob Kelso - April 1, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 2:45 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 1, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by TheRealJoeFish - March 31, 2016 at 11:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - March 31, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - March 31, 2016 at 11:55 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 12:15 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by SteelCurtain - April 1, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 1:09 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 1:10 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Thumpalumpacus - April 2, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:55 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 2:40 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 1, 2016 at 4:59 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by ignoramus - April 1, 2016 at 11:12 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 5:22 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by brewer - April 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Ravenshire - April 1, 2016 at 9:26 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:48 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 6:51 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 1, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 1, 2016 at 10:30 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 8:04 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:44 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 2, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 7:39 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:26 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Jackalope - April 2, 2016 at 3:16 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 5, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Goosebump - April 5, 2016 at 1:21 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 10:47 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 10:53 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 11:13 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:53 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 1, 2016 at 11:34 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 2, 2016 at 12:00 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:12 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:20 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:29 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:49 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 1:57 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:16 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 2, 2016 at 2:43 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 2, 2016 at 2:22 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 2, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 2, 2016 at 1:54 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 2, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 2, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 2:52 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 9:35 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Silver - April 2, 2016 at 2:39 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 2, 2016 at 9:49 am
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 2, 2016 at 12:50 pm
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Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 2, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2016 at 3:05 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mudhammam - April 3, 2016 at 12:22 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Redbeard The Pink - April 3, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by LastPoet - April 2, 2016 at 7:21 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 4, 2016 at 10:39 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 10:49 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Ravenshire - April 4, 2016 at 11:16 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:34 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:55 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 5, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Minimalist - April 4, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Losty - April 5, 2016 at 1:29 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:15 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by smfortune - April 4, 2016 at 11:25 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Nay_Sayer - April 4, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 4, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by MysticKnight - April 5, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 5, 2016 at 1:50 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 1:55 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 5, 2016 at 8:31 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:21 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:33 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 9:43 am
Proving God in 20 statements - by LadyForCamus - April 5, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 5, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Mister Agenda - April 5, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 6:23 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Alex K - April 6, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 6:33 am
RE: Proving God in 20 statements - by Whateverist - April 6, 2016 at 6:50 am

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