RE: Mind is the brain?
April 5, 2016 at 8:07 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2016 at 8:28 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm)bennyboy Wrote: The dodge never ends. Clearly, there are parts of the thing called "computer" which do not do any computing. Therefore, the computer is actually a subsystem of the thing under my desk-- but you won't attempt to identify which things, because you know it'll be a fuckfest.I gave you the definition.
Quote:My intention is to separate those elements essential to the computer (or the comp mind) from those which are not. You cannot and will not do this: you demand that not only do parts which actually do computing be called "computer," I must include those systems which do not do computing-- apparently because they happen to be inside a box I call "computer."Then refer to the definition.
Quote:I've never claimed a pc runs on magic. YOU have claimed that a computer is a definite, specific, thing.Specifically, that which fits the definition given.
Quote:Just because you see a box as a thing. This is the same as your brain-waving. You insist mind is brain, but when challenged to say what about brain is mind, you cannot and would not.We haven't gotten to that point yet, and can;t...because right now...all -either- of us can say is; "If stuff happens when stuff happens then stuff happens or stuff happens. "-unless you'd like to get your shit together and have a rational conversation. I can't believe that you think you're arguing against CTM, by arguing that computers don't exist............from your computer.
Is this how you handle every competing proposition to your own notion of matter-mind? I'm starting to see how you managed to come to that flight of fancy now. You can;t tell the difference between a cantelope, a ferrarri, a pc, or a golf club. Things must all be the same stuff. Matter-mind. Matter-melon. Matter-9 iron, and ofc none of these are dinstinct from each other, none are specific. So, its Matter-mind/melon/9 iron/computer/ -all of the stuff happening-. All properties of matter, nothing specific, nothing discrete.
Mysteries of the universe solved with this brilliant objection, we have a full description of everything now.
Quote:Oops, careful there. When I talk about external intention, I'm talking about human intention: we see as coherent processes those things we've controlled, and as "just stuff" those which we haven't. But actually, this division is arbitrary.WE actually don't see things that way, but you should already know that. There appear to be a great many comp systems on earth that we neither designed nor manufactured. OFC, the contention of CTM is that we and other sentient life are among the most robust examples. The division line is specific, refer to the definition, when you finally allow for identity in the world.
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