RE: Mind is the brain?
April 5, 2016 at 3:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2016 at 4:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 5, 2016 at 1:27 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Look, either a whole system is mind, or a part of it is.CTM would tell you that the human brain is the object of interest in the human system. It's stuck with the evidence available, rather than your daydreams about matter-mind. It's not the comp theory of fingers and toes. Or the theory of nose mind. Another "no shit" statement, regardless.
Quote:If you cannot demonstrate that the whole system is, then it must be assumed that part of it is. If we want to understand the essence of mind, we'll have to establish what about a particular physical system allows for mind. Waving at the brain doesn't work, because not all brain systems are connected to the subjective experience of ideas. You might as well wave at your bedroom and say, "Yep. . . evidence is it's in there somewhere, for sure."CTM doesn't "wave at the brain", it attempts to explain how the brain works in the first place. But who cares, because here you are now making tiny slices and divisions for subjective experience of ideas that you will not allow for any other proposition. Whatever happened to "it's all just stuff and arbitrary lines"....?
Quote:And this says exactly what about why material systems allow for subjective experience?Nothing, it only shows that your previous claim was woefully incorrect, why? However, as to the question -I'd explain it to you, again, but since you won't allow that comp systems exist to begin the discussion in the first place...I'm afraid it's pointless, and more than a little bit absurd. Not that you can elaborate, ofc, until things can be themselves rather than "just stuff/all the stuff/the same stuff". Until such a time as you can consistently and -specifically- describe what you are referring to by subjective experience, no rational or informative discussion can be had regarding your question. When you do decide that things can be assigned identity again, as you did above, you can no longer object in the manner that you have. So I guess you have a decision to make.
Force your own statements into irrationality, or we can just move forward safe in the knowledge that a computer is a thing, that comp systems exist, and that there are at least -some- things that do not fit the definitions of either.......and try to answer that question of yours.
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