RE: Mind is the brain?
April 11, 2016 at 11:06 am
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2016 at 11:20 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 6, 2016 at 5:59 pm)bennyboy Wrote: The strawman is that you keep talking about physical objects and sayng they don't have mind. I've never said they do.???? With matter-mind as the point of conjecture it's pointless to describe any physical object as not having mind. All have matter-mind, it's fundamental. That's not straw, that's an inescapable consequence of the concept. It doesn't matter whether you say they do or not, the conjecture itself demands that they -must-.
Quote:As for the rest: look, if I ask how an engine converts chemical energy to motion, you won't just wave at the engine, and say "There it is." You'll explain about the burning process, show how fuel is regulated, show how the pistons work. You'll show how the sparkplugs ignite the fuel, and how a feedback loop continually charges the battery to allow the process to continue, for the most part, indefinitely. You'll identify what part of the engine does exactly what role in the process, and will do so happily and with ease.Which is what comp mind would be. An explanation of how the thing could work, and how that description provides a compelling description of our experience as "mindful" things, -if you will.
Quote:My question for you is very simple: what brain systems and functions are you calling "comp mind," and how do they work, even vaguely? How do they allow for mind? And, specifically, do parts of the brain not really involved in processing, like the blood in the veins or the cerebral spinal fluide, get called part of "mind" or not?Comp mind would be those portions of the architecture capable of achieving comp functions analogous to our experience. Comp mind is only interested in the comp portion (the rest would be biology, spinal fluid, for example - as the powerplant and powerlines are infrastructure to your pc). Nothing needs to allow for mind. The basis of this entire conversation is that mind exists. I'm not interested in tumbling down the rabbit hole to show that mind is somehow possible. Comp mind attempts to describe a computational system that would be indistinguishable from those minds that we have already allowed for in even discussing the subject.
Very vaguely- A comp mind is a system that creates representations of sense data in it's own machine language, and manipulates them. It does logic. It does math. It has memory. It can be programmed.
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