(April 11, 2016 at 3:30 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(April 11, 2016 at 2:38 pm)SteveII Wrote: Not even close.
WLC's formulation is
(1) Everthing that begins to exist has a cause.
As to the charge of being vague, it leaves the question of efficient or material causes to the arguments in support of the premises (which he has literally written books on).
Says who? Dr. Craig? A communications major from Wheaton College who studied Biblical history in graduate school? Does Craig have a single paper in any physics journal?
Clifton claims that our experience tells us:
That the Earth is motionless at the center of the Universe...
(1*) Every physical thing that begins to exist has a material cause.
And, that heavier objects fall faster than do lighter ones.
In his published and peer reviewed work, WLC outlines 3 arguments for (1):
(i) Something cannot come from nothing.
Says who? The "infallible" William Lane Craig???
(ii) If something can come into being from nothing, then it becomes inexplicable why just anything or everything doesn’t come into being from nothing.
Probably, because only complex things can be formed by simpler things, such as oxygen being created in a supernova explosion.
(iii) Common experience and scientific evidence confirm the truth of premise (1).
Common experience, yes; scientific evidence, uh, no.
He goes on to point out that only the third is an inductive reason so the main grounds in support of the premise are metaphysical. Clifton's support for (1*) seems to be (iii), but if all the eggs are in that basket though, that might even be on shaky ground because of current cosmological theories (most don't allow for "stuff" to be available for use in creating a universe)
Premise (2) The universe began to exist, does not seem to be challenged by Clifton.
So how about the cause?
(3) The universe had a cause.
Says who? The "infallible" Craig? Gee, where is his Nobel Prize?
(3*) The universe had a material cause (stuff from which it was made).
You will get an infinite regress of events if the cause of the universe was a material object. In addition, the scientific evidence supports an absolute beginning of all matter and energy, space and time a finite time ago. WLC concludes:
"So we have really good grounds for affirming the immateriality of the First Cause. The origin of the universe requires, then, an efficient cause of enormous power which created physical time, space, matter, and energy. It is an instance of efficient but not material causation. If this is thought to be metaphysically impossible, then some compelling, overriding argument needs to be given for that conclusion. I have yet to encounter such an argument."
Yeah, well, who created god, then? Oh, wait, god is a "necessary being" who needs no "creator", even though he/she/it is an "enormous power"?!
http://www.reasonablefaith.org/must-ever...z45XfsH9uk
LOL. Perhaps you should stick to your "WLC is a liar" whining. Don't try to understand what he is saying, you might hurt yourself.