(March 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(March 25, 2009 at 6:33 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: The universe being 'created' is not evidence of his existence if we are talking about 'the big bang' or something like that....You're missing it EvF. If God made the spark that was the big bang then God created everything. You don't need any extra creator in this scenario.
It would have to be evident that the universe was created by a supernatural creator if the universe 'began' - or just came out of - with a big bang....then that wouldn't be "God" because it would have began by natural means and not supernatural means....
If all you are saying is that creation COULD be evidence of a creator then yes, of course it could but that doesn't mean it is (which I think was Ev's point).
Ultimately you're still reaching, still trying to somehow infer that a lack of evidence is what is to be expected and so is proof of god ... all it (the creation for lack of a better word) is is proof that something happened ... what that something is has yet to be established.
Kyu
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