RE: Mind is the brain?
April 14, 2016 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2016 at 9:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 14, 2016 at 4:49 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You are equivocating on the man-made object we call "computer" and on a philosophical principle of mind.Predictable failure. No, I'm not. I'm using a computer as an example of a -comp system-.
Quote:Since the question at hand is exactly what about the brain allows for (or is, if you want it that way) mind, then you can't just wave at the whole "system," unless you are claiming that the entire system is mind. We've been through this already-- are veins mind? Cerebral fluid? Hormones?Is the air an airplane? This is nonsense. Either you allow for identity and specificity, and we have a rational conversation, or you do not...and we do not. We -have- been through this....why are we revisiting it? Refer to my previous response, my mind hasn't changed in the meantime, nor has the definition I gave you of a comp system.
Quote:See, the brain-waving is sufficient if you are trying to prove that the brain is the seat of mind, rather than say the heart or the balls. It isn't sufficient if you are trying to explain the fact of subjective awareness, and exactly what about the brain makes it possible.I don't see why you would say that, or how you could even know it to begin with?
Quote:What you haven't done is explain why a system experiences what it's like to be a system-- comp or otherwise. You've been rambling for almost 30 pages about computers and "comp mind," and said nothing about the existence of qualia. So yeah, you've implicitly defined mind as function rather than experience. But unless you can draw a bridge to qualia, you are in fact just begging the question.There's no question to beg. There can't be until we can agree that comp systems exist. Until you grant us something to beg -about-.
The physical systems involved are the material interactions between nuerons (would you like to discuss nueropeptides, or nueral states...?). Nothing exotic. The -proposed- ability of nuerons to form representations based upon sense data, leveraging those material interactions, and then store and manipulate those representations based upon comp principle is the comp theory of mind. This has been explained countless times in this thread and others.
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