(April 16, 2016 at 1:50 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(April 16, 2016 at 1:42 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I'm curious... how many are in your survey, to conclude that most do not?
And I look at the arguments and reasons behind the claims, not their popularity. Most theologians believe in God.... do you refer to their expertise?
Why??? (do they have a rebuttal to an actual infinity) Here is an experiment for you... start counting, and let me know, when your reach infinity. If you are pressed for time, then you can count in multiples (10,100, 1,000,000) you can choose whatever you like.
I would suggest that you read this:
http://spot.colorado.edu/~morristo/craig...finite.pdf
http://spot.colorado.edu/~morristo/EndlessFuture.pdf
Not everything in mathematics is "common sense"; I used to make my living as an analyst in statistical process control. Consider the "Birthday problem":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
Most common-folk people do not give good estimates for this problem when asked, however, the mathematics are indisputable (except, perhaps, by the likes of William Lane Craig).
Did you finish counting to infinity already?
I didn't really see anything in those articles that refutes the idea that an actual infinity is not possible. But, I would be happy to discuss any of the arguments that you think are superior.
Your birthday problem is interesting. I only looked at it quickly, but off hand, it seems that we are still left, with who has the better reasons for their claim. In any case, it would seem that by your argument, that while the scientist expertise, would make them better at collecting the data, forming theories, and making hypothesis, that the logical induction based on those, would be better suited to those whose expertise is in logic.
I am an electrical engineer. A large part of my job is to program and troubleshoot machine controls. I have learned over the years, to always listen to the operators. I do this as part of the investigative process, and for diagnostics. I often explain to them, what I am finding, and quite often have had them tell me, that they have no clue what I am talking about. Yet there have been a number of times, that right after telling me this, they come up with a good idea, as to how to solve the problem.... There are also those who will get stuck on their theory, and not listen to the reasons I give for why that is not the case. Similarly; I have seen good maintenance people shut down, by people with a piece of paper who think they know better, because of that certification. They ignore reason, and often to their detriment.