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Republicans Represent the People
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RE: Republicans Represent the People
(March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am)theVOID Wrote: State education=/= private education.

How do you get from "States have more control" to "less people are educated" - That seems like a complete non-sequitur.
Because they've been consistently fighting to lower their standards, lower teacher pay, allow the teaching of crap as though it was educational (like creationism and intelligent design - remove 'controversial' subjects like sex ed, evolution, and so forth), among other difficulties.
My own state has also removed the limit on how many students a single teacher can have, vastly lowering the quality of the education that each public student recieves. I was told by a chemistry teacher at my old high school that the chemistry class that I was taught in high school was now the equivelent of honors chemistry.

(March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am)theVOID Wrote: Teaching creationism would still be unconstitutional no? Allowing states to set standards within the legal sphere, have more control over spending, more control for teachers, parents and communities wouldn't change that, what it would do is make spending more transparent, more cost effective and give parents, teachers etc more say in what goes on.
You say that as though that has stopped Texas and other states from making the attempt year after year. You have to remember that these idiots believe creationism to be indesputable 'truth' of the universe and that America is a Christian Nation anyway.
Yes, it is against the law to teach creationism. It's not going to stop certain people - especially if the federal government gives up control of public education completely to the states.

(March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am)theVOID Wrote: Why should your government get to dictate beliefs to everyone else, be they right or wrong? And even if you wanted a single government mandate such as "you must teach what is currently espoused by the consensus of experts in the relevant field to get funding" there would be no other reason to usurp power.
The government doesn't 'dictate beliefs' to anyone. They're charged with setting the national standards of education and what constitutes a necessary education for them to have at minimum by the age of 18. That's neither right nor wrong, it's a method of making sure this country has things like a nearly perfect literacy rate among adults, among other things.
The education system is the way it is now primarily because the feds and states keep cutting education funding to support their tax cuts for the wealthy and other illegal operations. States are consistently trying to get away with teaching these 'beliefs' you attempt to attribute to the federal government.
The only reason that private schools are any better at any of this is because they do better than public schools at teaching students these standards in many cases *but they are still required to meet state and federal education standards*. Of course, they are also far more expensive to be affordable by most people.

(March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am)theVOID Wrote: Regulated Capitalism = Interfering in the consensual trade of adults = Opportunities and motivations for corruption = Corporate welfare = Tainted markets = debt.

You keep up this optimism that somehow an unregulated capitalist market is going to stomp out corruption when all its going to do is remove many of the limits between the corrupting forces (the wealthy wanting to be given favorable breaks) and the government that's supposed to be protecting their citizens from tyranny.
I live in a healthy society and I've gotten a decent education thanks to many of those 'corrupting influences.' I dreak clean water, eat healthy foods, and be sure that most of the items in my home are safe to use, and go to work with the certainty that I will be safe and unspoiled from many abuses thanks to government regulation of some form or another. Yes, it interferes with the 'consentual trade of adults', but it does so for everyone's protection in more cases than not.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925

Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
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Republicans Represent the People - by HeyItsZeus - March 30, 2011 at 8:06 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Minimalist - March 30, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 30, 2011 at 9:22 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Dotard - March 30, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by DeistPaladin - March 31, 2011 at 9:07 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Shell B - March 31, 2011 at 12:16 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Anomalocaris - March 31, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by 8BitAtheist - March 30, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 1:44 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 2:33 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by TheDarkestOfAngels - March 31, 2011 at 11:53 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 12:49 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by downbeatplumb - March 31, 2011 at 1:57 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 6:10 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - April 1, 2011 at 4:21 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ubermensch - April 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Tiberius - April 3, 2011 at 7:54 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ubermensch - April 3, 2011 at 9:29 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Violet - April 1, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by the6dead - March 31, 2011 at 10:07 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Edwardo Piet - March 31, 2011 at 11:58 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by reverendjeremiah - March 31, 2011 at 12:14 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Minimalist - March 31, 2011 at 12:31 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 2:04 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ashendant - March 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ashendant - March 31, 2011 at 8:10 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by theVOID - March 31, 2011 at 8:33 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ashendant - March 31, 2011 at 9:21 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Znedrow4 - April 1, 2011 at 2:49 am
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Violet - April 1, 2011 at 9:20 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Minimalist - April 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Tiberius - April 3, 2011 at 3:08 pm
RE: Republicans Represent the People - by Ubermensch - April 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm

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