(April 24, 2016 at 1:53 am)wiploc Wrote: A brute fact uncaused first cause?
I ask again, how is your position less embarrassing than the position you attribute to me? If an uncaused rest of the universe is embarrassing, why isn't an uncaused god embarrassing? If an eternal universe is absurd, why isn't an eternal god absurd?
Quote: Just by examining the problem, you get the properties of this entity: eternal, timeless, powerful enough to make something out of nothing, non-physical, has intent, etc.
Word salad, non-sequitur, contradiction, and equivocation. I don't know what your argument is going to be, but you've definitely got the ingredients for a classic theist apology there.
I'm willing to entertain your argument, but you'll have to spell it out. I'm not going to guess at it or make it up for you.
To avoid the absurdity of the infinitude of the past, you ask yourself the question what would stop the causal chain. I listed some of the necessary properties of a cause that would avoid the absurdity:
eternal-uncaused (avoids the infinite causal chain problem)
timeless (existed before time)
non-physical (exists before all of physical matter existed)
has intent (decided to create something rather than not create something)
powerful enough to make something out of nothing,
There is something that may fit the first 3 (depending on your view): abstract objects.
There is only one thing that fits the first 4: a mind
Adding the fifth, we have an extremely powerful mind.
This is all the conclusions we get from this particular question. Note I did not say the God of the Bible.