(April 24, 2016 at 9:53 am)Jehanne Wrote:(April 24, 2016 at 8:28 am)robvalue Wrote: It's amazing people have such a hard time accepting that possibility, but then allow their "God" exactly the same position without the slightest quibble.
Out of sight, out of mind. The answer is "out there somewhere".
Yeah, I don't know how Steve can claim that god is "timeless" and yet claim that it is absurd to make the same claim about the Universe, that is, it is also "timeless". For if god is "timeless", then, clearly, there must have been a "time" when god decided to create the Universe (hence, time), but Steve would have us believe that god's decision to create the Universe was simultaneous with god's acting to create the Universe which was simultaneous with the Universe's actual creation. So, three events all happened at the same time -- deciding, doing and result, and that is absurd!
There is a fourth absurdity with a timeless god, and that is that god's very existence couldn't have preceded the decision, action, and creation of the universe. Thus, if the universe had a beginning, so did god. If god is eternal, so then the universe. And given that we have evidence of the universe, but zero evidence for god, Occam's razor slices the unnecessary deity out like an unwanted tumor.
