(April 24, 2016 at 9:53 am)Jehanne Wrote:(April 24, 2016 at 8:28 am)robvalue Wrote: It's amazing people have such a hard time accepting that possibility, but then allow their "God" exactly the same position without the slightest quibble.
Out of sight, out of mind. The answer is "out there somewhere".
Yeah, I don't know how Steve can claim that god is "timeless" and yet claim that it is absurd to make the same claim about the Universe, that is, it is also "timeless". For if god is "timeless", then, clearly, there must have been a "time" when god decided to create the Universe (hence, time), but Steve would have us believe that god's decision to create the Universe was simultaneous with god's acting to create the Universe which was simultaneous with the Universe's actual creation. So, three events all happened at the same time -- deciding, doing and result, and that is absurd!
It seems to me, that here you are both arguing that the universe could be timeless, and that there cannot be something which is timeless. Could you clarify please?
