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Thinking about infinity
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RE: Thinking about infinity
Interesting topic! We have to be careful about we mean by "exist". It can be a slippery concept.

I would personally use a definition something like this:

Something exists if it can be uniquely identified as a subsection of our (assumed) objective reality.

Thoughts? For things like numbers, I would say they only exist abstractly; minds are able to have images that represent the concept. They are a step removed from reality. They can represent arbitrary groups of things in reality, but they do not themselves uniquely identify something in reality. You can of course have abstract concepts that do identify something existent. We could also have abstract concepts that represent qualities of existent things, such as length.

Things can theoretically be dissected into infinitely parts. We can model them mathematically, and slice them up as we wish. Can they in practice? That depends on the nature of reality. Maybe, maybe not. If there is some "smallest measurement" actually possible in reality, then such a thing wouldn't work.

I see no logical problem with an infinite past. The obvious objection is the intuitive one, "well how did we ever get here"?

I have two possible counters to this, off the top off my head:

1) This is taking the naive, linear and "mobile" view of time, and of cause and effect. Our way of viewing what we call time may be entirely the wrong way to look at it. Viewed from the correct perspective, maybe an infinite past makes perfect sense.

2) Our reality may be artificial. It may be generated entirely by some other process in another reality. In this case, an arbitrarily powerful simulator could return to us whatever information we managed to request from the past (using scientific methods of observation). It could generate as far back into the past as is required, just as it could allow the present to continue into the future in an unbounded sense. So this could allow for an artificial unbounded past at least, if not an actual infinite one. This gets around the "how did we get there" problem by virtue of the simulation being started at whatever point the process see fit. All "history" is calculated to be consistent with this.
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Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 27, 2016 at 7:49 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 10:43 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 12:30 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 4:01 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by TheRealJoeFish - April 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Whateverist - April 27, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 27, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Whateverist - April 27, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 9:33 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by vorlon13 - April 27, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 27, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 27, 2016 at 9:49 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Excited Penguin - April 27, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 10:45 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Excited Penguin - April 27, 2016 at 11:03 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by RoadRunner79 - April 27, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Excited Penguin - April 28, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by RoadRunner79 - April 28, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by TheRealJoeFish - April 27, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 27, 2016 at 12:05 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 4:14 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 27, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by TheRealJoeFish - April 27, 2016 at 1:08 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 28, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 28, 2016 at 4:44 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 5:09 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Time Traveler - April 28, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 28, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 7:31 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 28, 2016 at 7:02 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 7:51 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by LastPoet - April 28, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 8:06 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by LastPoet - April 28, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Ignorant - April 28, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by LastPoet - April 28, 2016 at 8:05 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by LastPoet - April 28, 2016 at 8:06 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by LastPoet - April 28, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 28, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by RoadRunner79 - April 28, 2016 at 10:01 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by TheRealJoeFish - April 28, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by RoadRunner79 - April 28, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by SteveII - April 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by dyresand - April 28, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - April 29, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - May 3, 2016 at 5:07 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - April 29, 2016 at 3:59 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Wryetui - May 2, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by bennyboy - May 2, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: Thinking about infinity - by Alex K - May 3, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - May 3, 2016 at 2:21 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - May 3, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Thinking about infinity - by robvalue - May 3, 2016 at 3:55 am

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