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[Edward]

Edward, you are a christian. Just as Adrian say. You can come out of the closet

Seriously, many of the priest here in Sweden are like you. They have a very abstract view of their religion. Their thoughts acctually have many similarities with buddhism. The main reason why they are christians is that they think the christian view of life is great.

I knew I liked the Sweedish for some reason...I'm sure it was for the enlightened view of the priests...I'm sure that's what it was...well, that and the enlightened views of Amsterdam.

But religion is irrational. It's also non-logical and based on imagination and fantasies. It's giving easy answers on difficult questions. A perfect example that the human brain often try to find patterns where there are no patterns.

Yeah, but you don't really know, do you? I mean, you could be wrong given you just described mathematics as well as religion.

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I agree with you guys, you can't try to be an atheist. It takes a long time to get to the point (for me it did anyways) to throw away a belief in any god. But, once you are shown the light, you can't unknow that knowledge. Even if you wanted to believe you couldn't anyway. So you were never really an atheist.

1. I used to say the exact same thing about the two tenets of Veridicanism (i.e., God is monistic, and the human purpose is to be Christ). Actually, I still do.

2. Let's say you are absolutely right. There is no God, there is nothing like a god (e.g., nature is not conscious, etc). All there is, is the material universe, and it exists for no reason--it just does. Plop. And we just happened to evolve the reason for which is no greater than that given a chaotic system and enough time, we were bound to. If that is the case, we can only live for our lives and the pleasure we can derive from them for the time we are here. There is nothing greater than pleasure and nothing worse than pain, unless the pain leads to a greater pleasure. We breed and reproduce for no reason other than instinct. We are not great--we are essentially as significant as the trees and grass. We come, we go. That's it.

If that's the case. If atheism is true. Then the best I can hope for is the delusion that God has planned me, intends something from my creation, has endowed me with gifts to use toward the fruition of my existence, and will be there in the end when I "come home."

If all I can have is the delusion, then all I can have is the delusion. You may have the truth, but what advantage does that give you in the end? You may see reality more clearly, but what do you gain for it? Better adaptation? What good is that in an atheistic universe? What good is truth if it brings only suffering?

Thus the best possible way, if you are right, is to learn the truth and then forget it and hope it never rears its ugly head again.

I know God exists, because I exist. I know the Father is there, because I am the Son. There can't be a Son without a Father. So, I am the proof I seek. And that's the place Jesus Christ was trying to get us all to. That is until we nailed him to a cross.