RE: Thinking about infinity
April 28, 2016 at 9:04 am
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2016 at 9:09 am by robvalue.)
Yeah, an infinity is countable if each element can be mapped to a unique natural number.
So obviously the natural numbers are countable. Basically, it means you can put them in a straight line and count them.
The integers are also countable. You can just alternate between positive and negative to count them all.
Rational numbers (fractions) are countable too. (A/B) <=> (2^A) * (3^A) gives unique natural numbers due to unique factorisation into primes.
But real numbers are not countable. They are a "bigger infinity". It's impossible to form such a map between these and the natural numbers. I can show you why if you like.
As for whether a finite object being represented by an infinite number of subsections is "real", I'm not really sure how to answer it. A line is a continuum anyway, and consists of an infinite number of points along the way. So you move through infinitely many iterations to move a finite distance. This is just a different way of "counting" the distance, rather than adding it continuously. So yes, I'd say it's a logically possible way of viewing an object. Obviously it doesn't become split up into all this bits just because it's possible; but it still is the sum of all those bits. If you removed any, you'd no longer have the whole length.
So obviously the natural numbers are countable. Basically, it means you can put them in a straight line and count them.
The integers are also countable. You can just alternate between positive and negative to count them all.
Rational numbers (fractions) are countable too. (A/B) <=> (2^A) * (3^A) gives unique natural numbers due to unique factorisation into primes.
But real numbers are not countable. They are a "bigger infinity". It's impossible to form such a map between these and the natural numbers. I can show you why if you like.
As for whether a finite object being represented by an infinite number of subsections is "real", I'm not really sure how to answer it. A line is a continuum anyway, and consists of an infinite number of points along the way. So you move through infinitely many iterations to move a finite distance. This is just a different way of "counting" the distance, rather than adding it continuously. So yes, I'd say it's a logically possible way of viewing an object. Obviously it doesn't become split up into all this bits just because it's possible; but it still is the sum of all those bits. If you removed any, you'd no longer have the whole length.
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