(April 29, 2016 at 5:17 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:(April 29, 2016 at 3:52 pm)FebruaryOfReason Wrote: Summerqueen, do you think it is valid to speak up about men's rights issues / injustices / sexism faced by men?
Just asking what your position is on this.
For example, would you consider me a misogynist if I were to say "It's about when they turn into douchecopters because you aren't paying their vagina the respect they think it deserves."
I fully allow that there are a lot of injustices placed on men as a result of genderizing of roles in society.
I do not, however, accept that men have a worse lot than women, for several reasons, and I think that raising women up - not above men, but making them equal - and stopping this bullshit of feminizing things considered "weak" or "emotional" and thus associating femininity with weakness and emotion only helps men.
If you need an example, I find it absolutely atrocious that I had to take steps to handle my boyfriend's near-stalker because people laughed at the emotional abuse and harassment she was heaping on him. Because she's a girl, right? So how could she really be bothering him? No. Abuse is fucking abuse. Just because you're a man doesn't mean you have to have your emotions ignored or be told to "man up" when someone is harassing you.
But that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of abusers and attackers and harassers are men perpetrated against women. Particularly online where anonymity lends a certain amount of protection.
I also recognize that there are women who claim to lead or represent feminism in some capacity and are outright batshit crazy. That doesn't mean that feminism is bad, nor does it negate the statistics of how women are treated.
There are far more MRA's than there are women who outright hate men and want them subjugated.
I am not going to pretend men worldwide as hole have it bad, no. Yes, the vast majority of violence in the world is done by men, testosterone would be that reason. I am only saying even with that while things are not equal, in that context, men are still subject to discrimination.
Oh yea, and your boyfriend being laughed at because he was stalked, total bullshit. I had an ex girlfriend long before I got married, in my early 20s. Super hot Hispanic girlfriend. Stupid me full of hormones took the verbal and physical abuse because I thought "nobody this good looking is ever going to love me ever"......
One day she got jealous because a lady crossed the street in front of our car. I didn't think anything of it. I go up to a college to get an application, she goes in with me, and a nice looking blond was at the desk. Again, wasn't there to look, just get an application. She doesn't say anything. I was paranoid as fuck, not because I was doing anything wrong, but I knew how jealous she was. We get back into the car, and I thought MAYBE JUST MAYBE after all those times of telling her I only wanted her, she'd stop being so jealous.
NOPE, In the car, I stupidly said , "I'm impressed, you didn't say anything about the lady at the desk.'
Her response "OH SO YOU LIKED HER TOO!" She was silently steaming over the lady who crossed the street. Then she proceeds to punch me in the face while I am driving. I pulled over, told her to get out, and that was the last I saw of her.
Oh and back when I had my long term 7 year job. There was a black guy I worked with, a cook, nice guy, who had a white girlfriend, dont know if they are still dating now. But she also was jealous and would verbally abuse him for no reason if she thought he was "cheating" on her. Even when it was his job to talk to the female staff. Never saw him do anything that made me think he was up to anything.
So we are out on break in the back, all the sudden she comes storming out of the back door down the steps and charges at him, no provocation on his part at all. She starts whaling on him, and he did his best to simply block her swings. But even after that we had a talk with him and told him he needed to ditch her. But, like me, I am sure he thought falsely that jealously is love, and it is not.
Men are the the majority abusers yes. But even outside the issue of abuse, men can be discriminated against both economically and physically, but you are right, they are not the majority.
