(April 29, 2016 at 6:05 pm)wiploc Wrote:(April 29, 2016 at 5:48 pm)Wryetui Wrote: If you are done with the laughing, I will repeat my question for the third time. How is the size of the universe proof for God's existence or not?
If a Christian says, "Just look at the universe and you can see that it was all made just for us. What further proof of Jehovah's existence could you need?" then we get to point out that the universe does not look like it was made for us.
Does a speck of mold in my refrigerator may believe that the refrigerator was made just for it? If so, that proves more about the mold's mindset than it does about the refrigerator.
When humans believe in gods because the universe looks like it was designed for us, those humans aren't being logical. Rather, they are indulging in a fantasy characteristic of egotistical refrigerator mold.
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In answer to your question: No, this isn't a proof that god does not exist. Rather, it is a rebuttal to one of the "proofs" that god does exist.
As a proof that gods don't exist, it would be lame.
As a rebuttal, it is a slam dunk.
I do not know of "Just look at the universe and you can see that it was all made just for us" or whatever else other people can say. But the OP stated a clear statement for which I did not receive any answer: How does the size of the universe tell us God does not exist? What is the relation between the universe being too big and God "not existing"? No matter how big the universe can be, God still does not dwell in it, since He is outside creation and He is transcendent in His ousia (essence).
"When humans believe in gods because the universe looks like it was designed for us, those humans aren't being logical.", I would have to know how exactly those people believe the universe look like it is designed for us and after that declare them logical or not, I am not a follower of blank statements.
"Let us commit ourselves and one another and our whole life to Christ, our God"
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