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[Kyuuketsuki]

1. I used to say the exact same thing about the two tenets of Veridicanism (i.e., God is monistic, and the human purpose is to be Christ). Actually, I still do.

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I know God exists, because I exist. I know the Father is there, because I am the Son. There can't be a Son without a Father. So, I am the proof I seek. And that's the place Jesus Christ was trying to get us all to. That is until we nailed him to a cross.

Wow! So it's all true because you believe it is true? Because you can't "hack" a universe that doesn't give a sh**? Poor you but, despite the long-winded philosophical answer, colour me unimpressed (and YES I thought about that before I posted it).

So you ARE a Christian! Well there goes my last chance to respect your views

Kyu

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Oh you are hilarious. You've gone from a "I think I'm an atheist" to a fundamentalist Christian in a matter of days. Well done!

A fundamentalist Christian wouldn't say that. But really, I was just pretty disgusted with religion, and I thought I'd try on an atheist hat. It didn't fit.

Um, based on near 15 years of debate with fundy's yes they would and, as you've been repeatedly told, you can't just choose to be an atheist so no, you didn't try on the atheist hat ... you were simply a disillusioned theist.

To be honest, I don't think you ever were thinking "I might be an atheist". I think it was a deliberate ruse in order to get into our conversation. Your quick reversal to fundamentalism seems far too quick for any rational mind to cope with. You are weak-minded, and religion is the refuge of the weak.

Weak-minded? We'll see. As for the ruse: totally unintentional, I assure you.

As I said to Frodo, "It's a bit like when theists claim that belief is the harder path ... it's rubbish, it's easy to believe, it's harder (much harder) to remain sceptical. I think it's a lot easier to believe in things like god (indeed recent research suggest we're built to believe), it takes education, training & discipline not to fall for that kind of rubbish."

Of course, your welcome to stay, but do please try to come up with some proper arguments for God instead of the easily refutable bullshit you just spouted. I mean, come on, make it a little hard for us.

The argument was not bullshit, it was circular. You know, you'd be amazed at the amount of words the English language has, Latin, too[/i].

So here, refute this one; we'll call it prima facie evidence for the existence of God: The universe displays intelligence; therefore, the universe is intelligent. An intelligent universe is what we call God.

The usual theistic metaphysical bullshit then?

We'll start you off with milk for now and try to move to rice-pudding and squashed peaches later.

Fuck that! I prefer salad (suitably processed by which I mean fed to a cow and served up as steak).

Kyu