(May 5, 2016 at 9:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(May 5, 2016 at 10:48 am)SteveII Wrote: You missed the qualifier in the sentence preceding the quote: "prior to the universe". Your objection is that there was no time in order to change from this state into creating the universe. Why is it not possible, that God, after existing timelessly created the universe--which would be a mental event causally prior to the universe taking shape? Alternatively, why isn't it possible that God causing the event was simultaneous with the effect (since it was only efficient causation--not material causation)?...WHAT?!?!
Sorry, that's all I've got until I get some sleep and come back to this thread with fresh eyes...
What caused god to have a "mental event" that lead to his/her/its creation of the Universe? If he/she/it existed timelessly prior to the creation of the Universe, what caused him/her/it to "change states"?