BrianSoddingBoru4Drich, for what it's worth: The Bible claims Adam lived to be 930 years old. The Hebrew word for year in this passage is 'shanah' (as in Rosh Hashanah) and means a solar year and nothing else. Ditto other claims of great ages among the patriarchs.
Furthermore, your comments regarding different calendars among different cultures are correct as far as they go, but not really relevant. Every ancient culture knew what a year was in the modern sense. Crops were planted and harvested at the same times every year, rivers flooded in a regular and predictable annual basis, the stars returned to the same positions at the same times, and so on.
Lastly, your comments regarding Stonehenge and Newgrange is mind-numbingly idiotic. No one is claiming that the Jews built Stonehenge. Dorfl was using what is known among sensible people as 'an example'. Look it up, do yourself some good.
Boru
I love it when you d-bags gets all smug and can't see the truth through all your 'facts.' It makes teeth kicking all the most satisfying
As I've posted the definition several times now I am well aware of the definition of Shaneh (not shanah: when speaking to the age of a man) shâneh, shaw-neh'; (in plural or (feminine) שָׁנָה shânâh)
Shanah simply means to:
Since you d-bags will not click on my links I'll post you the defination to Shaneh as well:
shâneh, shaw-neh'; (in plural or (feminine) שָׁנָה shânâh; from H8138; a year (as a revolution of time):— whole age, × long, old, year(× -ly).
But again the question should be what is a year? The definition in the english defines it as 365 1/4 days. This is not the hebrew defination it again simply means a span of time. Yes current jews understand this span of time to mean 365 days, but again this definition did not have to mean that. In ancient times the year 'floated' meaning depending on which culture you were apart of and in what time period this "span of time" was different.
Now Sodder, pay close attention to the next bit as it destroys any legitimacy to any claim you might think you have left.
Even if the Jews (at the time the bible was written/after the exodus meaning they adopted the 365 day calendar of the egyptians) they were writting about events that happened 2000 to 2500 years prior. So the question then becomes did the scribes do the math? Meaning did the scribes know how much time a year was to Adam and Noah, and then divide or multiply by the difference their current "span" was? or did they just carry over the contextually accurate use of the word and the contextually accurate number of "spans" those men lived?
If you spent any time at all studying this culture then you would know they would not be allowed to "do the math." These texts were meant for priestly eyes only, and in that IF they would have know the differences between a span of Noah and a span of the Egyptians it would have been communicated verbally when the texts were read, and not written down. As what was written down was the words God wanted on page. "Notes or points of reference" like this, is what made a priest a priest.
Ok, so how long was a year when noah was alive? we do not know. It was whatever noah said it was. How long did adam live? what ever noah passed down. We don't even know if Adam lived by the same calendar year Noah did.
If it was known it is now lost. we only have how many "spans" Noah and Adam lived, we just do not know what period of time a "span" exactly was.
That said if you fools want to ascribe 365 1/4 days to the term "shaneh" and make fun of the bible because it does not seem possible to you, then by all means. If you want to get defensive and insist that people who live 6000 years ago have the same understanding of the world and how time works as you do then please go ahead and insist that the world has always worked as it does now. and please make fun of things when they do not make sense rather than do any research, or ask any questions with an open mind..
I was just trying to help a few of you from looking like morons if infact that is not how you want to be viewed. But for those who are hell bent on looking as stupid and closed minded as possible then please "warrior poet" yourself into contentment.
Furthermore, your comments regarding different calendars among different cultures are correct as far as they go, but not really relevant. Every ancient culture knew what a year was in the modern sense. Crops were planted and harvested at the same times every year, rivers flooded in a regular and predictable annual basis, the stars returned to the same positions at the same times, and so on.
Lastly, your comments regarding Stonehenge and Newgrange is mind-numbingly idiotic. No one is claiming that the Jews built Stonehenge. Dorfl was using what is known among sensible people as 'an example'. Look it up, do yourself some good.
Boru
I love it when you d-bags gets all smug and can't see the truth through all your 'facts.' It makes teeth kicking all the most satisfying
As I've posted the definition several times now I am well aware of the definition of Shaneh (not shanah: when speaking to the age of a man) shâneh, shaw-neh'; (in plural or (feminine) שָׁנָה shânâh)
Shanah simply means to:
- to repeat, do again, change, alter
- (Qal) to change
- (Niphal) to be repeated
- (Piel) to change, alter
- (Hithpael) to disguise oneself
Since you d-bags will not click on my links I'll post you the defination to Shaneh as well:
shâneh, shaw-neh'; (in plural or (feminine) שָׁנָה shânâh; from H8138; a year (as a revolution of time):— whole age, × long, old, year(× -ly).
But again the question should be what is a year? The definition in the english defines it as 365 1/4 days. This is not the hebrew defination it again simply means a span of time. Yes current jews understand this span of time to mean 365 days, but again this definition did not have to mean that. In ancient times the year 'floated' meaning depending on which culture you were apart of and in what time period this "span of time" was different.
Now Sodder, pay close attention to the next bit as it destroys any legitimacy to any claim you might think you have left.
Even if the Jews (at the time the bible was written/after the exodus meaning they adopted the 365 day calendar of the egyptians) they were writting about events that happened 2000 to 2500 years prior. So the question then becomes did the scribes do the math? Meaning did the scribes know how much time a year was to Adam and Noah, and then divide or multiply by the difference their current "span" was? or did they just carry over the contextually accurate use of the word and the contextually accurate number of "spans" those men lived?
If you spent any time at all studying this culture then you would know they would not be allowed to "do the math." These texts were meant for priestly eyes only, and in that IF they would have know the differences between a span of Noah and a span of the Egyptians it would have been communicated verbally when the texts were read, and not written down. As what was written down was the words God wanted on page. "Notes or points of reference" like this, is what made a priest a priest.
Ok, so how long was a year when noah was alive? we do not know. It was whatever noah said it was. How long did adam live? what ever noah passed down. We don't even know if Adam lived by the same calendar year Noah did.
If it was known it is now lost. we only have how many "spans" Noah and Adam lived, we just do not know what period of time a "span" exactly was.
That said if you fools want to ascribe 365 1/4 days to the term "shaneh" and make fun of the bible because it does not seem possible to you, then by all means. If you want to get defensive and insist that people who live 6000 years ago have the same understanding of the world and how time works as you do then please go ahead and insist that the world has always worked as it does now. and please make fun of things when they do not make sense rather than do any research, or ask any questions with an open mind..
I was just trying to help a few of you from looking like morons if infact that is not how you want to be viewed. But for those who are hell bent on looking as stupid and closed minded as possible then please "warrior poet" yourself into contentment.
