RE: Does god need your help?
May 8, 2016 at 7:59 pm
(This post was last modified: May 8, 2016 at 8:03 pm by robvalue.)
Another thought:
It's often said by theists that we cannot understand god's plan. He's incredibly wise, and his plan is intricate beyond our primitive human brains.
So... why get involved at all? If we have such a terrible understanding of what's meant to be happening, what's the point? If we do something in line with god's plan, then it was unecessary (unless the theist admits God does actually need our help). If it isn't in line with God's plan, then God has to come sweep up after us, to correct the plan. Otherwise, what we do makes no impact at all; or else God is happy with any outcome.
If I was a builder for example, and I turned up to a construction site, and I'd only been given an extremely vague idea of what the plans were... I wouldn't start chucking bricks around, putting them wherever seems like a good idea to me. I'm just as likely to create more harm than good.
The whole idea of a plan is silly, really. It's a human concept, a way of working out a strategy to achieve a goal. And we use it because there are ways we could fail to achieve the goal. If we literally couldn't fail to achieve it, in whatever short time period we spent doing it, we wouldn't need a plan. We'd just do it.
Why does God need a plan, if presumably he cannot fail? Why does he need time (from our perspective at least) to pass in order to achieve the goal? These appear to be limitations on his power, or else he's just screwing around.
It's often said by theists that we cannot understand god's plan. He's incredibly wise, and his plan is intricate beyond our primitive human brains.
So... why get involved at all? If we have such a terrible understanding of what's meant to be happening, what's the point? If we do something in line with god's plan, then it was unecessary (unless the theist admits God does actually need our help). If it isn't in line with God's plan, then God has to come sweep up after us, to correct the plan. Otherwise, what we do makes no impact at all; or else God is happy with any outcome.
If I was a builder for example, and I turned up to a construction site, and I'd only been given an extremely vague idea of what the plans were... I wouldn't start chucking bricks around, putting them wherever seems like a good idea to me. I'm just as likely to create more harm than good.
The whole idea of a plan is silly, really. It's a human concept, a way of working out a strategy to achieve a goal. And we use it because there are ways we could fail to achieve the goal. If we literally couldn't fail to achieve it, in whatever short time period we spent doing it, we wouldn't need a plan. We'd just do it.
Why does God need a plan, if presumably he cannot fail? Why does he need time (from our perspective at least) to pass in order to achieve the goal? These appear to be limitations on his power, or else he's just screwing around.
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