Dr. Craig is a liar.

[Time Traveler]

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Steve, this is exactly what you said on page 35 of this thread, which I thoroughly deconstructed and then explicitly demonstrated your own blatant contradictions (p 42) - after which, you whine that just because someone trips up an unprepared Christian (clearly talking about yourself), we shouldn't read anything into it (p 42). But if you can't even defend your own hypothesis without making contradictory remarks, you should quit parroting the same bullshit over and over as if it means something.

Furthermore, you keep trying to dodge the actual question by attempting to answer a question that isn't even being posed. You parrot WLC's "logic" about how God, AFTER he created the universe, could undergo an "extrinsic change," trying to justify your answer based upon an A or B-theory of time, blah, blah, blah... but the assertion you are being asked to defend - again - is your ridiculous notion that "God existed timelessly and changeless causally prior to [BEFORE] the universe." So quite trying to redirect the question, go back and re-read your own ridiculous ad hoc contradictions, and just admit you have absolutely no clue how to logically reconcile this absurd notion that your God existed timelessly and changelessly prior to suddenly creating the universe. Just repeating an absurd premise over and over again may make you believe it, but that doesn't make your proposal remotely true or even coherent.

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By contradictory remarks, you mean you caught me using the terms before and after when referring to the creation of the universe in another post...

Much of your objection to my statement seems to come from your belief that the B Theory of Time is correct. Let me study this an I will attempt a reply in your Timeless thread.

Steve, no. I think you are addressing the wrong thing again. Your contradictions have nothing the do with the A or B Theory of time since the universe began. They have to do with how you imagine a timeless, unchanging entity could do anything before the creation of the universe. Here are your words...

Even a series of mental events is enough to form a before and after (therefore some measure of "time").

Which directly contradicts...

There was no stream of consciousness or successive chains of thoughts.

Contradiction: You cannot have "a series of mental events" and also assert, "there was no stream of consciousness or successive chains of thoughts."
Contradiction: You cannot "form a before and after (therefore some measure of "time")" in a truly timeless state. Timeless, by definition, would have no "before and after."

Again, because I have to state this emphatically so you don't go off trying to slay straw men, I am ONLY talking about what your timeless God supposedly did before the creation of the universe... not your God's imagined relationship to time after the creation.