Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 9, 2016 at 7:45 pm
(This post was last modified: May 9, 2016 at 9:01 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(May 9, 2016 at 3:43 pm)SteveII Wrote:(May 9, 2016 at 2:05 pm)Time Traveler Wrote: Steve, this is exactly what you said on page 35 of this thread, which I thoroughly deconstructed and then explicitly demonstrated your own blatant contradictions (p 42) - after which, you whine that just because someone trips up an unprepared Christian (clearly talking about yourself), we shouldn't read anything into it (p 42). But if you can't even defend your own hypothesis without making contradictory remarks, you should quit parroting the same bullshit over and over as if it means something.
Furthermore, you keep trying to dodge the actual question by attempting to answer a question that isn't even being posed. You parrot WLC's "logic" about how God, AFTER he created the universe, could undergo an "extrinsic change," trying to justify your answer based upon an A or B-theory of time, blah, blah, blah... but the assertion you are being asked to defend - again - is your ridiculous notion that "God existed timelessly and changeless causally prior to [BEFORE] the universe." So quite trying to redirect the question, go back and re-read your own ridiculous ad hoc contradictions, and just admit you have absolutely no clue how to logically reconcile this absurd notion that your God existed timelessly and changelessly prior to suddenly creating the universe. Just repeating an absurd premise over and over again may make you believe it, but that doesn't make your proposal remotely true or even coherent.
By contradictory remarks, you mean you caught me using the terms before and after when referring to the creation of the universe in another post...
Much of your objection to my statement seems to come from your belief that the B Theory of Time is correct. Let me study this an I will attempt a reply in your Timeless thread.
Why don't you respond to it here for ease of reference since you have several of us participating in this particular discussion, and your answer is relevant to the questions some of us have been asking you.
Some questions regarding god's "intrinsic knowledge":
Since (according to you) God had no stream of conscious thought "before" (I cringe) the beginning of the universe, how was he able to "know" information? How does one know anything; how does one DO anything; without consciousness? How did God have knowledge and information before he had a conscious ability to process it? What caused his stream of conscious thought to begin? Where did his mind come from? Ya know...since everything that begins to exist needs a cause.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.
