Dr. Craig is a liar.

[LadyForCamus]

I'm fairly certain that the KCA is not a logically sound argument.  Anyone with more experience in that arena care to weight in?  I'll have to go take another look at it myself.  

Steve, how does a being exist timelessly?  And secondly, how can a being have a conscious, temporal thought while in a timeless state?  Can you please be more specific in regards to your proposed mechanism?  And, as always, don't forget to provide supporting evidence for your assumptions.  

The KCA is simply a restatement of the first three arguments of the Quinque Viae (First Mover, First or Uncaused Cause and Necessary Being) of Aquinas to try and get around the fact that Aquinas in none of these arguments was able to show how god was both real, and be able to simultaneously evade the necessary requirements set by Aquinas to qualify for reality (namely everything that initiates change must itself have had something initiate its original change and everything that exists must have a pre-existing cause). As the KCA is simply a word-salady restatement of Aquinas (who took a lot of his arguments from Aristotle, which also influence the original Kalam school (which is actually where Aquinas got the original Aristotlean philosophising from), and has failed to address, never mind defeat, the problems in Aquinas' formations, it can be debunked in exactly the same fashion as Aquinas has been debunked. There are plenty of sites which tear the Aquinas argument apart, such as here, or here. They're not all that hard to find.

Thanks Constable for the summary and references! I didn't realize the KCA was a play off of Aquina's five ways stuff. Except...now that we've said his name, I fear we will inevitably draw Wooters; like a moth to a flame. [emoji50][emoji56]