(May 10, 2016 at 11:15 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(May 10, 2016 at 10:55 am)Jehanne Wrote: Seems like special pleading to say that god can create something out of nothing, as others have pointed out. But, as I have asked (as have others), when did god go from being "timeless" to being "timely" (sorry if that is not the correct word); what caused god to change states?
If I could chime in. I would still argue, that if you start with nothing on one side of the equation, that you will have nothing on the other side. I think that the doctrine of "Ex Nihilo" which is derived from scripture, is stating that God created everything from himself. That there was nothing outside of God, with which he was working.
As to your second question, I would not say that God changed states, so I can't answer that particular question.
I'm glad you chimed in. You really cleared everything up. Well, except for just a few things...
Statement 1: God created everything from himself.
Statement 2: I would not say that God changed states.
If your God never changed states, then how did he create everything? In other words, if God preexisted the universe, and then created the universe, how could he logically do this without changing states?
Your post brings to mind a few other questions...
Question 1: Where in scripture is "Ex Nihilo" explicitly stated or "derived"?
Question 2: On what basis do you assume Absolute Nothing ever existed before Something? We have evidence of things that exist (laws of physics, quantum vacuum states, theists on Atheist Forum sites, etc.), but where is your evidence that Absolute Nothing ever existed or could have existed prior to something?
Question 3: "God created everything from himself. That there was nothing outside of God, with which he was working." Are you saying the natural physical universe was created out of the supernatural metaphysical being of God? If so, what is the ratio of supernatural metaphysical being to natural physical universe? In other words, how much of God's supernatural essence was spent in creating the universe? (I'm guessing three cups of supernatural metaphysical being equals one natural physical universe, but I'm no theist so I could be wrong.)