(May 10, 2016 at 11:15 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(May 10, 2016 at 10:55 am)Jehanne Wrote: Seems like special pleading to say that god can create something out of nothing, as others have pointed out. But, as I have asked (as have others), when did god go from being "timeless" to being "timely" (sorry if that is not the correct word); what caused god to change states?
If I could chime in. I would still argue, that if you start with nothing on one side of the equation, that you will have nothing on the other side. I think that the doctrine of "Ex Nihilo" which is derived from scripture, is stating that God created everything from himself. That there was nothing outside of God, with which he was working.
As to your second question, I would not say that God changed states, so I can't answer that particular question.
So where did god come from?
If you say that life can't have started on earth, so it must have been seeded from the starship Panspermia Valdes, you aren't answering the question of how life started; you're just setting it back a step. Likewise, if you say that matter can't have started with the big bang so it must have been created from the substance of god, you again aren't answering the question of where things came from.
You wouldn't be satisfied if I said the universe was created in 1987 when it came from 1986. You can hardly expect us to be more satisfied when you say matter came from the substance of a god.
