Dr. Craig is a liar.

[LadyForCamus]

Or maybe it was the lizard people. Or a sentient macadamia nut. Or maybe the concept of indoor plumbing created the universe.

I don't think I will ever understand this comeback. The KCA is properly formed, logically sound, not question begging, not equivocating, and not contradictory. The premises of the KCA, if true, infer the cause of the universe (or its predecessor) to be uncaused, timeless, immaterial, personal, and at least powerful enough to bring a universe into being from nothing. This is all it does. It does not get us to the the God of the Christianity and says nothing about other attributes that God might have.

So, how do we get from that to your comeback?

But you can't demonstrate that the KCA's premises are true, can you? This is a problem for the argument.

And you still haven't adequately described with supporting evidence how something can exist timelessly, immaterially, not in any space, and without any temporal stream of consciousness, and yet perform an action as powerful as creating the universe. Or, perform any action at all for that matter. How does something exist in non-existence and "then" create existence? You have a lot to answer for here with these bald assertions, and the KCA is not an answer. [emoji53]