(May 11, 2016 at 10:28 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 11, 2016 at 9:10 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Numbers are just models; tangible constructs thought up by human minds to describe the abstract concepts of mathematics. I don't understand why theists are always so baffled by the invention of numeric symbols. It's really not that different from how we use language, but I've never heard a theist using the existence of words as evidence for god.
So, say in another identical universe, there were no minds to contemplate such things. Would that mean that the concept of 8 objects does not exist? Does that mean that E=MC^2 still does not have a mathematical relationship? Does that mean that the idea of P then Q; P therefore Q would not have meaning? Words just represent concepts.
Well of course all those concepts would still exist, assuming this other universe is identical to ours. I just don't see how it supports the God hypothesis. The laws of our universe exist as they are. I don't understand your point.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.