Dr. Craig is a liar.

[Mister Agenda]

Numbers are just models; tangible constructs thought up by human minds to describe the abstract concepts of mathematics.  I don't understand why theists are always so baffled by the invention of numeric symbols.  It's really not that different from how we use language, but I've never heard a theist using the existence of words as evidence for god.

So, say in another identical universe, there were no minds to contemplate such things. Would that mean that the concept of 8 objects does not exist? Does that mean that E=MC^2 still does not have a mathematical relationship? Does that mean that the idea of P then Q; P therefore Q would not have meaning? Words just represent concepts.

In a non-identical universe, any or all of those things could be different. He just said that math is a language to describe things. If the things change, the language would have to change, too. If the things stay the same, the same language can describe them.

Not seeing what you're trying to achieve here.