Heaven seems awful 2 me-"Theist laughs at loudly & with great cruelty"

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Omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. Who Christ is, the Trinity and who the Father is. Just for starters.

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Unconvincing. Are you saying that if you became a believer in some sort of cultural vacuum, armed with nothing but a Bible, that the "Holy Spirit" would have been necessary for you to infer God's alleged characteristics, the Trinity, etc., or are those doctrines implicit in the text and available to be teased out by a careful reading?

I didn't give the answer to convince you, I knew you wouldn't accept it, I gave you the truth about myself not others. The words Trinity, omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent are not in the Bible but they are who God is, do you even know how what they mean concerning God?

As it is, you didn't become a Christian in a cultural vacuum. Each of the beliefs you listed have been a part of normative Christian belief for centuries. You inherited these doctrines, and I don't believe for a moment that you arrived at them 'independently' with the help of the so-called Holy Spirit. Normative Christian doctrine is the lens through which you read the Bible, and your predisposition to accept it all as true is what provides you the certainty that you believe correctly. No immaterial spook required.

 I did not say I came by them independently, you are reading your ideas into my answers, you asked what the Holy Spirit helped me with and I told you just a few things, when I became a Christian I don't remember whether or not I knew about any of the omnis. You really believe you know what I do, you think you know my experiences, wrong. Yes most go into Bible study with some predispositions because we trust those who lead us but, my pastor always told us if we have doubts about what he was teaching to go to the Bible and check out the teaching, meaning trust the Holy Spirit's guidance. He like myself knows that we can make mistakes. Christians aren't perfect and never will be, we are Christians though having a relationship with Christ.

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