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Problem dealing with death as an atheist
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RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist
But NOTHING can be 100% proven. Not even your existence to yourself, so why even bother bringing that up?
(April 11, 2011 at 5:53 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I also notice you use reasonable doubt, but focus solely on the popular myths of the time. Why not Olympus, Tarterus and Hades? Oh yeah, because they arent popular anymore.
the reasons are:
1. the greek mythologies are not popular at all: It's a kind of, no one can believe in the ancient greek gods anymore. They can't even be seen as a possibility, because they hadn't been able to keep any of their worshipers (seemingly).
2. I don't know too much about them: I didn't study the greek mythologies, the greek gods, all what the people believed about them, etc. I know only a few things about them. So it's harder to use them as examples.
3. I am a bit fascinated about Islam: "kill the jews wherever you find them!", "whoever changes his religion, kill him!", "if one desires other religion than Islam, never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of the losers", etc. - they all sound funny (at least to me). And I usually use Islam & Allah as bad examples or as the worst possible choices.

As about the afterlife, I do consider the fact that if the muslims are right, then I will go to hell of Allah, because I willfully reject Islam. As about the ancient greek gods, I don't think they had a "hell" for the unbelievers, so I could have not used them as a hellish example.

Quote:Soul? what the fuck is a soul? Where is it? Where is it located in the body? What is it made of? How much does it weigh? What are its physical dimensions?

I found a definition:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/soul Wrote:the spirit or immaterial part of man, the seat of human personality, intellect, will, and emotions, regarded as an entity that survives the body after death

As about "spirit", I guess it's supposed to be some kind of energy. If you've looked on paranormal broadcasts or something, you know, stuffs with ghosts and spirits, etc. (though I'm sure there's a lot of embellishing to fascinate the viewers), you may get a better view of what they may be.

anyway, you've said:
Quote:I guess it would be best that I learned how to survive as much as possible. By learning how to get back up on my feet, to stock food, spend wisely, make good decisions, things like that.

I would also stay away from gambling because it tends more to be negative on a life than positive.

I think that would be the best thing to do, and then if you die and find yourself in another life, then you are prepared to handle yourself, pick yourself up after falls, and SURVIVE.

So how do you understand to live after death? you're body will surely decay, and it'll be eaten by maggots. So doesn't the idea of life after death imply that there is something of you left after you die that bears your personality and memory? There can't be a life after death otherwise. Or, how do you understand "life after death"? Even if we talk about reincarnation, it cannot be without a spirit (some kind of energy that is 'you' and goes from your body to the body of a baby, so it would be 'you' living again).

If the spirit/soul is some kind of energy, then these questions are clearly absurd: "Where is it located in the body? What is it made of? How much does it weigh? What are its physical dimensions?". For instance, you can't say about the kinetic energy "where is it located in my body?", "what is made of?", "how much does it weigh?", "what are the physical dimensions?". Also, though this is not energy, is good as an example: a burning fire (e.g. it burns some wood on the field): "which is the precise location in space?", "which are the bounds/margins of it?", "what is made of?", "how much does it weigh?", "what are the physical dimensions of fire?". Oh, you can't give answers to these questions? Then the fire cannot exist! it's an absurdity! And perhaps we should consider the kinetic & potential energies a bullshit, because we cannot touch them and we cannot measure them with the ruler and we cannot measure their weight! So, aren't they absurd??

In other words: not everything is a solid object that you can feel by grabbing.

Quote:You also cannot prove that a belief in a soul will get you into a heaven.
Did I claim so??
(I'll understand "heaven" as "paradise")

Quote:Perhaps belief in a soul is a test by the creator, and if you believe in one then you get punished for all eternity..those who do not will get everlasting paradise. If a god exists, then he must be an atheist, so therefore he would like atheists better than others. See, I even have some good arguments for it. So I guess you should take that into equal consideration as well. If you dont, then you are close minded.
Everybody has "good" arguments and "good" justifications, for everything.
Anyway, to answer your logic: if God exists, He is not an atheist, because He is convinced that there is one God: Himself. Likewise, if you had been the only man on earth, you would have been convinced that "man" exists, because you know that you're a man. As about "Perhaps belief in a soul is a test by the creator", I think it would be a stupid test. Anyway, an insane God could even punish us in a hell for eternity for not torturing and killing our own babies - though one needs to be really insane to imagine this theory and believe it.

Quote:And also, when I was born into this life, I didnt have some judge with a book of names judging over me, so why should I think different or expect different if I happen to find myself in another life?
The same with reincarnation: when a man is born into this life, he may not expect that in the next life he'll be a rat in the sewers. If you expect the same in another life, perhaps you should tell me how you get to have it, if you don't have a soul (an existence, beyond the body). If a 'soul' exists, then you may have a life where you'll eat and use the wisdom and knowledge you have acquired here, in a 'reincarnation' (perhaps on the same earth, but we can imagine a very far away planet that is similar to ours and somehow you get there, inside the body of a child, waiting to be born, and hoping that you'll not die at birth).

Quote:And there you go giving heaven and hell the benefit of the doubt when there are SO many other ideas that are equally as plausable.
I didn't. I took Islam as an example: in Islam, if you reject Islam, whatever else you believe (in God, in souls, in afterlife, etc.) you go to hell.
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Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cynical8 - March 4, 2011 at 9:41 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 11:56 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Ateo - March 6, 2011 at 3:13 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - March 7, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - March 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Shell B - March 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Jax - March 12, 2011 at 6:05 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 12, 2011 at 11:35 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - March 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by jason56 - March 15, 2011 at 8:38 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 9, 2011 at 11:50 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 3:25 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 8:36 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 19, 2011 at 6:55 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 6:02 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Carnavon - April 19, 2011 at 10:09 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 25, 2011 at 5:17 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Skipper - April 11, 2011 at 4:43 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 6:08 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Thor - April 14, 2011 at 12:52 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - April 14, 2011 at 3:12 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 11, 2011 at 5:35 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 11, 2011 at 4:01 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 17, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - April 13, 2011 at 5:09 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Frosty - April 14, 2011 at 9:52 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by JohnDG - April 17, 2011 at 6:15 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Cinjin - April 20, 2011 at 1:52 am
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by Zenith - April 25, 2011 at 6:47 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by ilikeMe - April 21, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by BethK - June 10, 2011 at 10:51 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by bozo - May 12, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: Problem dealing with death as an atheist - by BethK - June 10, 2011 at 11:58 pm

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